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GlassKnees

GlassKnees

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Well, first flight ended in failure. After arming, I started to advance the throttle and the aircraft immediately toppled onto its left side and spun around clockwise - looked to me like loss of power on the #3 motor (front left).

The aircraft remained upright and smoke started coming from the aircraft. I immediately thought that the lipo was damaged so I quickly unplugged the battery and removed it, but the smoke was coming from the chassis.

After taking it home, I removed the basswood bridge I made to protect the ESCs from the lipo and discovered that the ESC powering the #3 motor was burned up.

I just removed the top chassis plate to access the wiring underneath and made a discovery - the servo wires to the #3 ESC were pinched to the point of exposing bare wires. Perhaps this is the cause of the ESC failure?

I created a video, but updated it to show my latest finding:

 
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Dugdog47

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Bummer man sorry your quad didn't fly, I still think it was the 30 amp escs you're using aren't beefy enough for those motors.

Don't feel too bad we all have sheet happen, I just fried my xrotor f4 board hooking up leds lights. A $40 mistake that I'll learn from, if the leds don't work, don't touch the signal wire onto the vcc pin lol.

I hope you get your bird flying we're all looking forward to seeing some aerial footage!
 
GlassKnees

GlassKnees

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Dugdog47 said:
Bummer man sorry your quad didn't fly, I still think it was the 30 amp escs you're using aren't beefy enough for those motors.

Don't feel too bad we all have sheet happen, I just fried my xrotor f4 board hooking up leds lights. A $40 mistake that I'll learn from, if the leds don't work, don't touch the signal wire onto the vcc pin lol.

I hope you get your bird flying we're all looking forward to seeing some aerial footage!
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Uh, sorry if I didn't indicate that I am using 40 A ESCs. The Motors can draw up to 38 A at full power but I don't intend to run them that hard - this is strictly going to be a flying video platform with no undue stresses intended. The manufacturer recommends 40 A ESCs and that's what motivated my decision.

I don't know how I pinched the servo leads, but I strongly suspect that's what lead to the burnout. I had already ordered a new set of 40 A ESCs from Hobbywing when I first suspected that these were defective. At this point, I have no reason to believe that the Resdytosky ESCs are defective.

The only other damage is that two of the props were slightly scuffed on the edges. When I get the new ESCs installed and the aircraft put back together, I will see if the props are okay, otherwise I will replace them. I am still confident that it will fly fine.
 
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Dugdog47

Dugdog47

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Copy and pasted from your original post:

"Hobbywing Platinum Pro 30A OPTO"

Lol that's what my assessment is going by!
 
GlassKnees

GlassKnees

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Good news! After weeks, which seemed an eternity, my new Hoobbywing 40A ESCs arrived!

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It will take a day or two to swap out the other three ESCs and install these, and put the aircraft back together, check everything and try again, weather permitting.
Stay tuned!
 
GlassKnees

GlassKnees

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Repairs have been completed. I calibrated the ESCs and redid the radio calibration. The compass appeared okay when I connected to Mission Planner but I did tweak the compass declination a tad to get the aircraft heading to match the compass on my iPhone. I also did the motor/compass calibration, which consists of running the motors at increasing power so that M.P. can sense compass interference due to the electrical noise from the power system and compensate.

I removed each screw individually and applied Locktite. I think it is now ready for it's first flight:

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Assuming the battery of test flights go well, I will add the gimbal and video transmitter. The gimbal will be powered by the main system and the video transmitter will have it's own small power source - a 450 mAH 3S lipo
 
GlassKnees

GlassKnees

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So, this morning, the air was calm though somewhat cold but conditions were right for a test flight. Being it's first flight the objectives were to make sure all flight controls - pitch, roll, yaw worked fine. Then put the aircraft into Loiter mode and test the compass/gps; in Loiter mode, yaw the aircraft to make sure there is no toilet bowl effect. Finally, select RTL and land autonomously.

The good news is that the aircraft armed okay and I was able to lift off and control the aircraft. But (bad news) there was an odd noise coming from one of the motors - suspect one of the rear motors but not sure which one. Also, the aircraft seemed unstable. I could control the aircraft but didn't have a sense that I could maintain control, so I landed. I re-calibrated the ESCs and tried again but there was no change. I landed without incident and I did not attempt the other objectives.

Could one of the motors have been damaged in a previous crash? It's funny, in that during the compass/motor calibration all motors seemed to be running fine with no unusual noise.

I am not sure how I am going to troubleshoot this.
 
Dugdog47

Dugdog47

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We don't have this problem using betaflight and tuning the quad manually tweaking the pids one or two digits at a time lol.

A faulty flight control board can cause your issue.
 
GlassKnees

GlassKnees

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Well, I was searching through some old posts in a couple of forums - seems that this problem has cropped up in other builds. There was a lot of technical stuff being mentioned that seemed to do with code in the APM firmware, but since the posts dated back to 2013 or so I figured that any code issues would have been resolved - I get that the APM is no longer supported but I would have figured that the version of firmware I'm using would be pretty stable. But I did try a couple of tests in my basement:

I powered up the quad and established a telemetry connection with Mission Planner on my laptop. There is a motor test feature I can run, where I can select a power percentage, and the number of seconds I want the motor to run and I can try each motor individually or all at once. I tested each motor at 25% power for 3 seconds - all worked fine with no problems. I then ran all four at once - again all motors ran smoothly. Then I found some ceramic tiles which I placed on the landing gear as anchors, armed the motors using my transmitter and throttled up. There was the surge. So, if I bypass the transmitter/receiver everything is fine.

There is something about the receiver signal and interaction with the APM that's the culprit. The APM is new and so is the receiver. But I just received an Orange 6 ch receiver I plan to use for another build, and I plan to test it and see if I get the same or different results.

I might also try looking for the latest firmware version and flashing the APM....
 
GlassKnees

GlassKnees

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It has been awhile since I've reported and since then I have moved. But I thought I'd take a moment and bring you up to date.

first of all, the bad news - my aircraft crashed on its second flight. According to the logs I suffered a brownout and the motors quit and it just fell out of the sky, destroying the airframe.

I have salvaged the motors and some other parts and will try again. I will use the same frame - Tarot 650 Ironman, but will use a Pixhawk flight controller. I breifely considered the 2.1 Cube but its more expensive and I think the Pixhawk will suit my needs. The main draw for me is redundant power capability. I don't know what caused the power brownout on my APM , but I want to have a backup power capability on this aircraft.

I have ordered a power module that can accommodate up to 10S power ( I will be using a 6S lipo to power my MN3420 T-Motors). I think when I have this build completed, I will try to stress test it by anchoring the aircraft and throttling up close to full power and monitor it with Mission Planner before I attempt any flights. IT will take awhile as I have just ordered stuff and some will be coming from China...
 
GlassKnees

GlassKnees

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The frame, ESCs , 100 mW telemetry raios and Pixhawk arrived. I agonized over what to do for power distribution but finally decided to go with a Matek FCHub power distribution board - I think that it will provide cleaner and more reliable connections and I like having on board 5V and 10V power which I can use as backup power to the F.C. as well as power to the gimbal/video transmitter.
 
GlassKnees

GlassKnees

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I need some advice/opinions. I have decided to mount my 40A OPTO ESCs underneath the main chassis as shown:

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I have attached velcro squares to the ESCs and onto the Tarot battery plates and sandwiched them together. My question is will I run into heat issues with this arrangement? the top/bottom ESCs are flush against each other.
 
GlassKnees

GlassKnees

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Okay, I have finally wired up the ESCs and motors. I had to reposition the MATEK pcb and APM power module as the boorms were interfering with the wires, so I had to take take it apart and move the MATEK underneath the bottom chassis plate. I put the booms on and now I'm happy with the wiring:

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It won't look as pretty as there will be wires protruding from the sides - maybe I can to some cavble management once I've tested the motors for proper spin direction and mout the top plate. I have the ESCs sandwiched together underneath but put a pice of fine wire mesh to aid with heat dissipation...
 
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GlassKnees said:
So, this morning, the air was calm though somewhat cold but conditions were right for a test flight. Being it's first flight the objectives were to make sure all flight controls - pitch, roll, yaw worked fine. Then put the aircraft into Loiter mode and test the compass/gps; in Loiter mode, yaw the aircraft to make sure there is no toilet bowl effect. Finally, select RTL and land autonomously.

The good news is that the aircraft armed okay and I was able to lift off and control the aircraft. But (bad news) there was an odd noise coming from one of the motors - suspect one of the rear motors but not sure which one. Also, the aircraft seemed unstable. I could control the aircraft but didn't have a sense that I could maintain control, so I landed. I re-calibrated the ESCs and tried again but there was no change. I landed without incident and I did not attempt the other objectives.

Could one of the motors have been damaged in a previous crash? It's funny, in that during the compass/motor calibration all motors seemed to be running fine with no unusual noise.

I am not sure how I am going to troubleshoot this.
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Thank you so much
 
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