beware of eBay when selling anything new and popular

Smertrios

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Recently found out first hand just how easy it is to buy something and then get the money back (as a victim). Seriously all you do is buy the item, get the item, start a return claiming its not as described and stick to your story about how its "significantly not as described" (broken, dif color, etc...), when the wait time to "work it out with the seller" is over ebay forces the seller to accept a return from the buyer using a label the seller had to pay for (ship an empty box, some used damaged item, etc...), get your money back. If the seller tries to fight it by waiting to "let ebay step in" it works even better but it takes a few days longer. There are a few guides available to fine tuning this scam and doing it better but from the looks of it just about everyone could do this at least once and get away with both an expensive item and eventually the money withoutout anything more than a pist off seller and the inconvenience of a trip to the post office.

There are many free guides available and even some that are for sale on ebay that tell how to steal from people on ebay both as a buyer and a seller. How can it be so simple? Consumer warranty law and ebays streamlined buyer biased system allows it. Basically buyers have an implied warranty for the item they buy and if its SNAD (significantly not as described) the seller gets to pay for return shipping and has to receieve the item back. Its a "trust based law" that is susposeto work because "most people are honest most of the time" but ebay by making it a nearly automated process has taken this law and this type of fraud to a level it does not exist at anywhere else. Literally anybody could be doing it!

This is just an FYI for anyone buying and selling on ebay... someone may try to upgrade an item by sending you their old crashed piece of !#$%. It is a problem for both buyers and sellers the above describes the process for comitting fraud as a buyer but there are equally efficent scams for sellers.
 
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There are many free guides available and even some that are for sale on ebay that tell how to steal from people on ebay
And you choose to broadcast this on forums?

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Yes! I want to know if these "trust based laws" are really based on trust or ignorance and the only way to do that is for more and more people to know about it. I "knew about it" but this incredibly easy way of doing it is *not* what I was told.

Reporting it is something I have been doing at least a few times a day for days... keeping quiet when I believe I have been wronged is not something I am good at. The FBIs ww.ic3.gov website has had a report given, paypal has a report, ebay has a report given etc. The internet forums are a last ditch effort to have these rather crazy laws looked at and maybe even my case in particular.

I really wonder just how many people have been effected by this and I hope your response is not typical... Buyer commits fraud *very* easily... seller trys to get help and gets resistance! Its fine that you do not sell on ebay and are not affected by this but the internet suggests this problem is common and being allowed.
 
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I have sold for years on Ebay and not a issue. I guess there are new scams all the time however and a first time for everything. That said...............stopped selling on Ebay almost a decade ago when their fees became crazy for the seller! It is a buyers market and mainly a buyers market from China who sells stuff so cheap you cannot compete!

Oh well.......
 
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