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You have a fairly lightweight quad. A 3s battery will easily lift your quad even when loaded. And it weighs less and costs less than the 4s. I suggested some relatively benign props for you to learn on. A 3s battery with larger props will give you longer flight times than the same capacity 4s...

"Decent" from china means they are probably "real" plastic. For the motors you got(good choice) I would try 1047 and 1145 for general use and to learn on. The 1047 will have quicker response and the 1145 will be a bit slower and steadier with more lift. If it still seams too "twitchy" for you...

Hadn't thought of that. I just weighed my FPV stuff and it's 91g. Almost double the Sky-HD01. A lot more than I thought it would be. My birthday is the end of the month, maybe I'll drop a hint with a link attached........

CF props are more rigid than plastic so performance is better. It won't make much difference to you in the beginning. You can get 3 or 4 pair of decent plastic props for that amount of money. Just stay away from the very bottom of the barrel. Whatever props you decide on always balance them...

Baby steps, Dd. Baby steps. Break a few plastic arms first. While you're learning you WILL crash. A lot. In a crash with the Aimdroix arms the force will transfer right to the frame and break it instead of the arms. Arms are much easier and cheaper to replace.

Ha! Ok. Now I get it. I am mostly interested in occasionally recording my FPV without adding the latency I get from a DVR.

Really? You think it's pricey? It takes snaps and videos and records. It has internal and external power. It has a 400mw Tx. It can be operated by remote. Comes with everything for under $100.00. Sounds pretty competitive to me. Besides, you said you already have a gimbal....... Time to spend...

BTW. Do NOT mount the battery on the top. Makes it really sensitive to roll input.

If I go for it I'll let you know how it works out. My order now finger is twitching..............

Look at the shape of the rear of the frame on this reptile 500 and you will see how the rear arm mounting is extended out farther than the front. This squares the wheelbase and makes it more stable and easier to fly. It compensates for the rear arm rake.

Actually a pretty good copy of the Discovery and looks cool as well. For an experienced pilot like you it will be fine. For a newbie like Dangerousdave it might be too difficult to set up. If you look close it does not have a "square" wheelbase. This will take some programming skills to the FCB...

Haha! I'm way too old to do that ( I can remember when the Dead Sea was sick:rolleyes: ). Really looks cool, though. I thought the racers used FPV setups that were closer to zero latency? I'm gonna do a little more research, but I'm intrigued. Looks like it could solve one of my problems as...

Hey GJH, have you tried one yet? Looks like it could be a great solution for non-racers. I have been trying to come up with a all in one solution. The separate components and wires take up a surprising amount of room. I have been trying to use a single HD board camera running to a mini DVR and...

Ringalong is right about the motors and the 2216 will still perform very well on 3s batteries. Actually, better than the 2212 will on 3s. Also, most of the 2212's out there are cheap chinese copies and not real SunnySky.The kk 2.15 is a solid little controller. When you get it reflash it with...

It really is confusing at first. You are right to research like crazy before committing. I am still working on, and constantly changing, my final design on my "statement" 700mm quad. I have enough scrap pieces of CF now to make 3 quads!! Oh well. Winters coming and I'll have plenty of time...

Not a problem. That is why there are so many different products out there. Just like cars, not everybody likes the same thing. I like tinkering and they give me a cheap way to do that. Check out the videos on the sight. They have some great building tips that work for all types of quads. Most...

First: Welcome Dangerousdave! You picked a great forum to learn the hobby. To help you keep the cost of learning manageable and fun check these guys out: http://quadlugs.com/ This is a fun way to be creative without breaking the bank. I wish I had discovered them in the beginning. Quadlugs...

Yeah. That sounds more like it. I think your motors are just weak.

Actually, holtneils reply makes me wonder what you are hauling on your 450 that is making it so heavy? Do you have bundles of extra wiring tucked in there? Are you toting an SLR? The weight just seems out of wack some how. Anything extra on there you could eliminate?

I'm with you, Jurriaan. I like the look and simplicity of the quad. Unfortunately it seems you made the same mistake a lot of us make in the beginning. You bought inadequate motors because the price was so good. Cut your losses and get the SunnySky 2216 kv800 motors and12 x 3.8 CF props off...