the thread of fun

it's painful as f to watch because my 60 mbps connex wants to show me the 144 version, but it looks like

well a) this is the square version, same Rx model #
b) it has a GREEN led

...it looks like, his fs-i6 displays "binding..." but he wiggles it around and turns it off and it never says "okay..."


i mean, it's hard from my POV to figure out, why my motors ran that one time. but yes, if i do it in that order, once i power on the fs-i6 with the bind button held, the LED does start to flash slowly, instead of quickly.


but, if i then power down everything, then turn on the fs-i6, nothing happens with the throttle at low settings, and i'm sure as f not wanting to see any of the freaking porcelain around here taken out by this machine.

that's what's going on, is porcelain, antique porcelain. unreplaceable, antiques, from a time and place when people didn't treat everything like crap.
 
YAY

you can see there what i said.

SOLUTION very simple -

once again, it's one of those things i never, ever had an opportunity to know about, and it made all the difference. could have saved me hours of just feeling absolutely terrible.


if you are a newbie, and have just received your new Tx and nice fancy quad, and have even managed to bind your uav, there is one thing you must do -

as i say, how was i to know? it's so basic, nobody covers it.

when you intend to fly, you turn your Tx on. *then*, *then* you must ARM it.

in the "firmware update" section of the deceptively terse manual for my uav, it states that ARM is set to aux 5, and MODE is set to aux 6.

with the fs-i6, the switch functions are stored with the global settings, not with model settings.

*ahsoo*

so that once a Tx user configures their Tx per their preferences, the matter is not approached again.

but if you are new, you are unlikely to ever see anyone set up their Tx in a video to specify which switch arms the quad, or to hear or read "now i am arming the quad with this switch".

it's such basic information, that it is not covered anywhere.

so, having confirmed configuration of the switches that operate the ARM and MODE functions, i am ready to go and fly this thing, here's where i disconnect from this energy before i go do that.




decades ago, a fellow named ken nordine used to record these "word jazz" records, which were kind of like tripped out, free form narratives. one of the things he said which i remember, he rapidly quipped

you tell me and i'll know too

and it's so true. there are so many times when, in fact, if you tell me, then, i can know also as well. that is how it works.

a person with a firm grasp of the mechanics of memetic transference that.


f-f-s ARM function holmes. that's all, all it takes right there. just say, ARM function danksta. whoop.
 
here is another time i get to have FUN

"what is air mode? boris noticed blah blah blah so when rolling the motors compensate past null"

except, it is never said, what air mode is a modification of.. acro mode? horizon mode? nobody says.

dragger's micro up in a tree, is why i like to know, these things, ahead of, time. really great info all over the net, "air mode changes this" BUT WHAT DOES IT CHANGE IT FROM



one of the things about being intelligent enough to notice things other people don't is that you realise fun is no good whatsoever. what is fun? well, since the nature of desire and pleasure are unknown to those without buddha intellect, "fun" is how we describe activities that people are encouraged to participate in without clear knowledge of the objective. think about it -

when you're a kid, playing games is "fun" - we understand, what you are doing is building skills eg. motor skills by procedural interaction. we spend years of our life in the pursuit of fun, but we do not stop to contemplate simple things about life itself, so i can talk about epistemology and no one has a clue, in fact, rather than admit the indefatigable logic of epistemological solipsism (bloody useless, doesn't help you sell things) most westerners would ratheer doggedly defend the fallacious concept of the absolute existence of knowledge, which is completely unknowable.

so, there is no absolute nature of pleasure or desire in the universe, outside of delusion, and we know this and can usually admit that others pursue some strange proclivities. so, you cannot produce a more semantically meaningful definition of fun.

not all fun is bad but especially when one is older and has accrued various "responsibilities" and such, engaging in activities without a clearly defined objective, can be hazardous. and especially as one draws nearer to a realisation of absolute consideration as antithetic to absolute certainty, we realise that no thing is knowable and that pursuit of the unknown is essentially pure self delusion. shun the fun, escape fun. be sensible. as voltaire said in cnadide, staying home and do the garden it is enough. don't ever ever fun ever.
 
***** ***** ******** ******
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just when you thought that this couldn't get any more fing pathetic


"yo" i live in the freaking desert. it's all rocks around here. what's gonig ot happen when you turn on your quad is all the motors are going to start spinning like t f and the slightest nudge is gonig to VRROROROROROROROOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMM and the thing is going ot flip upside down and grind itself into the ******ing ******ing ***** you know?

so before you fly your quad, remember to be in like some other part of the world where there is grass.

goodbye pretty quad.
if only there were some fing grass here. grass. i love grass. grass, grass grass. grass would help me. becuase i am too fing hard here.
 
listen folks, i know this isn't the end of the line, and there is somethnig that is gonig to come along and root me right after this.

if you guys have any kind of helpful stuff you want to say, like "oh, by the way, when you start, you want to set your Tx throttle curve way the fu down" then you couls stop some things from getting chewed to f up. because in case you can't tell that happens over and over and over and over and over. i'm not kidding, you don't need to volunteer a second crew member chuck. i told you what's gonig on, and that's reality.
 
i've got this thing tied to a brick with a string, on the carpet, to stop it from taking off.

right now, i've lost three prop mount screws (glad i fing ordered extras, not here yet tho), and the thing has not flown more than two feet.


so i am saying to you, if you persons have any helpful advice, because it's basically, quad turn on, quad is blender, destroys itself against environment. much like myself. the only difference is, i know what's gonig on with me. i thought i was pretty good with the e011s, and in case you can't tell, my reaction speed is like, precognitive. i'm already reacting to things that have got several hundred years before they happen. it's a mess, but i am fast. so i'd like to get this thing in the air.

if you want to tell me things with that purpose in mind, how to fly, not destroy it, then you should write things here.
 
If I could just get a word in edgeways.
Where to start, poop me.
Err instructions.
Dont know what rx that is but I have an A8S, it binds but it doesn't show on the i6 tx. The light just turn solid on the rx, that's it. Good range on it. You want arm on SWD aux5 on Tx menu but auxiliary 1 on cleanflight/betaflight in modes.
Flight Modes on SWC auxiliary 6 on Tx menu(3 position) but Aux2 in betaflight modes menu. Then you have to set them on the Tx aswell as the range on the switches. For example if I turn my Tx on while I'm in cleanflight but not armed the line on the graph is at the lower range. If I then flick it down to position 2, armed. the line on the graph in modes tab goes to the higher range. Do this for angle & horizon mode. Acro or rate mode is not done. This is default on position 3.
Or you don't have to pick any & just have acro mode as default on all 3.
Did you sort the motors. You sound very intelligent, so you must have sussed it by now. Can't you post pics of your motors.
Tied to a brick, that's funny. Just don't leave it in the car with the windows up ffs.
 
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yay said:
"what is air mode? boris noticed blah blah blah so when rolling the motors compensate past null"
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Air Mode allows you to fly the quad like an airplane, IE: if you pitch forward the quad will continue to fly forward even when you center your pitch stick, aft pitch will bring the quad back to straight and level, if you put an airplane in a nose down attitude it will continue in a nose down attitude even when you center the yolk, until you bring the nose up, in air mode every action needs to have an opposite reaction to return to equal, depending on your expo settings this mode is very sensitive to stick movement. I would not recommend it until you have mastered ACRO mode. Air mode will send your quad off into the distance on a flyaway. I set my motors to 1040 RPM at zero throttle in air mode which is just enough to maintain control of yaw & roll. Match your modes to your skill level.

It's also a real pain in the ass to land in Air Mode, I get about 2 feet of the ground and shut my arm switch off.:cool:
 
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i did manage to run it thru betaflight, cut a slot in teh canopy so it doesn't need to be disassembled to plug teh cable in (interesting design, it's like they want you to take it apart constantly).

just shut it off and went and did something else, don't know how brave i'm going to be until my extra props and screws get here since i chewed up the first set in the first 0.5 seconds. there's no place with the range or softness for initial flight until i can turn down the freaking minimum rotor speed - (will probably put a blanket between some chairs for a soft landing)

- i liked the e011 flight mode A LOT .... no auto level, so you got to deal with the physics of an object falling in the air, and when it crashed, you could let off the throttle and it would shut off. with a minimum motor speed, when this thing crashes it continues to pull itself through any **** around which, being rocks and hard sunbaked thorn bushed, and, you KNOW the first thing it's going to do is head for the pool. when upside down on the rocks it still moves about as fast as a terrier. you know FUUUUU. so i am extremely discouraged from flying until i can set no throttle = no go round. like it oughta be.

i guess horizon is the better one for me to work with at first, rather than angle and air. it would be awesome if i could set it like the e011.

the min. throttle on it still provides enough lift to make it go up, unlike videos where other people have their Tx set up already, i guess.

figured out my binding issue - whenever it bumped something the battery mashed the bind button. kingkong could have made the canopy about 2mm higher and put the Rx on top. overall tho, it "feels" pretty tidy and integrated design. and the way it hit the ceiling, it's got all the power anyone could want.

the remaining transparent props feel super brittle, and with the minimum speed on the rotors, the white (more flexible set) still *chipped* on carpet, like chunks missing from the props. so i'm gonna go whittle or somethink until the planets are aligned. thanks for the words of advice! :)
 
mozquito1 said:
Tied to a brick, that's funny.
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that is funny.

thanks for that. you know for sure, sometimes, you go through things that take months or years, cost tens of thousands of dollars, countless hours of work, and in the end, the only real fruit of the labour is being able to say something like "tied my quad to a brick"

that's the kind of thing that years from now i'll look back and remember, not the flying or anything else, but being the guy who had ot tie his fing quad to a brick to get it to run without instantly demolishing itself.

through fire and flames.
 
Could have been worse, Yay...the fucker could have attacked you.....

And yes, the commonalities that are taken for granted can, indeed, make for some interesting nightmares......
 
dragger201 said:
Could have been worse, Yay...the fucker could have attacked you.....
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i was going to say.. that's never the way, because then the fun would be over.. but then i started to think... no, not necessarily..

the actuality is of course far more excruciating. over on rcgroups i've had what generally appears to be genuine if not entirely patient response to progressing circumstances. having rested the night i decided to give it another go. discerned that one of the motors was a bit sticky on start up. think i then activated motor stop and started to have an insistent binding issue. this is, of course, as it only could be, after having constant binding issues resulting in at least two definately true solutions that resulted in unbinding (impact mashing button, using betaflight).

during the complex unfolding events, i discerned the cause of ALL of my difficulties in this procedure: i had failed to implement an effective procedure for creating an ARM control.

after realising that i was able to connect the quad to usb with the battery connected and Tx bound and observe the radio channels i discovered the fs-i6 switches send 1996 high, above the 1700 range preset.

great!

since i started off not even being aware of the existence of the ARM function and stumbling for hours over every step of doing so (eight hours today! made my voice tremble) i was somewhat elated.

off course, round about the same time, the flight controller got wiped to its factory conditions, which were not the kingkong settings it appears to fly so nice on.

so, i never got it in the air, apart from on a 2 ft. string. its rotors have been silenced.

frequent flyer did send me his config file, but its for a frsky i think. not flysky compat.

my plan is, to wait, until maybe next spring, and by then, perhaps, i will be able to afford to buy a second one. then i can flash the board over. maybe i can get a refund. who knows.

i mean, humanity may come through for me on this one, but i don't know that i can make that happen.

but, you'll understand, these last two days have hurt me deeply to the core, which, isn't really that infrequent. i mean, i could go over just the last week.. every now and then, suddenly, there will be a moment where, there are no significant problems, like a sudden hush in a crowd. standing in a hole of frozen sewage water, in the dark, and having to get up real early to do that, is what i got for my birthday this year, courtesy of the u.s. government and friends, so we can say.

i mean, this is only the beginning. the progressing tribulations of trying to turn this into something good in my life, it is like the early trumpets.

i'm not going to go to great lengths to relate this, eg. during a part of the day, my power cable for my netbook failed, while low on power. throwing 3v instead of 19. splice worked, fortunately. i have been fortunate twice this summer. otherwise, it would be waiting for a new psu. these are the small steps this procedure was made of today, you are aware of all the methods eg. machines and the internet of tormenting people.

i'm not trying too terribly hard to make this funny, only relating the events. it is real. what this device is going to put me through with the intent to achieve the "here it is - oh, this is so instantly good!" thing in the videos for it. it could be several months before it actually catches air. certainly the most mileage it can. and then, i expect there will be a momentary, enticing thrill, followed sooner than i'd like by a final or profoundly debilitating event of some unforeseen nature. you know, i can get so much, enough to keep running, but only and exactly that much. not enough to not feel the deliberate and prolonged pang of pure bitter spite transduced through the material by methods that do not concern me.
 
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like i'm saying, for those who might be thinknig i'm just writing this or neurotic, well, i haven't gotten too depthy on the cause of these events yet, don't need to. but people are bedeviled. remember, for instance, this quadcopter is tied to a brick. this means that, every time i make an adjustment in betaflight, or move it to the table to work on, or take it to the carpet i try it out on, if i don't remember to pick them both up, i'll get yanked at the 2 ft. mark. sometimes i catch it, but not every time.

i've lived normal life, i remember when life was normal. but there are other conditions. this is not normal. i'm not trying to make it famous here, but, if i'm ever going to fly these things, i'm going to need explicit and precise reference, because eg. failing for two days at the arm function is only one small sequence. i don't need people to believe, but some people, they have difficulty, and they're not always the kind you'd figure.
 
ready for fun 2.0

1.x complete. configured flight controller, calibrated ESCs, harmonious whirring is to be heard.

of course the fallout from so much stress means, i'll probably take it real easy before i think about trying to fly. plus it'd be nice to wait until my spare props arrive.

itm, i'm such a thoughtful, here's something fun for you.

tinyplanes.jpg tinyplanes2.jpg
 
yay said:
i mean

you have no idea what this house means to me. i eat fing stress all fing day and night. sleep? i don't remember what sleep is like. i really don't need to be blowing fing holes in the ceiling.

impressed, real powerful motors. but ffs can someone tell me how to set this up so i can fly it and not destroy the few precious things left in the world.
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Maybe fly it outside? On grass? In an open space with plenty of free-fly room?
 
pdmike said:
Maybe fly it outside? On grass? In an open space with plenty of free-fly room?
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it's a valid suggestion, but it's difficult and expensive to find good indica varieties. people don't always cater to outsiders. i totally love anything that causes short term memory loss as then i can't remember any of the things that bother me, like difficulty procuring things tha tmake me feel better. personally, trying to program mindbending audio dsp in c++ with a potent short term memory inhibitor is about my favourite thing to do in the world. when you have to check everything eight times, it makes really. solid. code. and it makes me laugh to watch me doing it. sativa would be great as well i'm sure, but not until one has some spares.

i know some folks on the military base here who are big into dealing and growing, so i'll have to check with them after october.

but no, i wasn't trying to fly it or anything, only see if it responded to my radio. i hit a switch and it had about 6 ft. of acceleration before the ceiling. i really don't know how that occured.
 
i don't know if these image tags are going to work.. attachments posted in another thread...

http://quadcopterforum.com/attachments/q1-jpg.2919/

http://quadcopterforum.com/attachments/q2-jpg.2920/


for reals i'm posting htis in the hopes that others can benefit from it, either by not repeating these events, or at least a vicarious chuckle.

waited until today to calm down before flying. as you can see, and as i wrote previously, it's all rocks and thorns out here. (a little bird left a helpful crap on my quad after i lost it).


my final set of props are too chewed up right now to continue practicing until my spares get here. too much frustration. but at least i found my quad!

... after "training" on the eachine e011s i figured i'd have some hang of it. i'm not intending to race, i want to hover around slowly, like a robot in a 1970s movie, not race. i wanted a brushless model that could return in a breeze.

well.. this quad ... i thought.. that's the one... all the reviewers love it, say it flies beautifully...

i will need to work with my Tx some. when the e011 banked, it dipped a little to one side, and moved in that direction... the way my radio is set up now, if i bank, the frame tilts like 45 degrees like it's gonig to screeeeeam off in that direction or do a roll.. the range on my sticks needs to be whittled waaaaaaaaaaay down. i guess this hobby isn't really spoon fed to anyone, and i need ot find out what those settings are myself. but the way it is all set up when i get my first radio and first "non-toy" quad, it's like practically begging to destroy your quad and order a new one.

i mean... i'm thinking, it may be a smart idea to order another e011, and see if i can get the fs-i6 set up with that, to get the handle of it, because a new quad + a new Tx is two new variables to deal with.

yup i kind of want to take a week and go to some other planet or something, because its all rocks here, rocks and hard, desert baked plants, and it just chews the crud out of a quad.

i also need to stop and build something for it. apparently this is a great model, but the Rx and battery are supposed to occupy the same location, which is crap, because the Rx has got this bind button sticking out of it. if the Rx is under the battery, the battery pops the bind button. you can see my crap temporary set up, which of course taps the bind button when it crashes. i figure they must have designed it with another Rx in mind, because it's totally crap to deal with. best solution would be to 3d print some landing gear that have another tier to support one of those parts. i think my best on hand solution is prolly bloody paperclips.
 
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yay said:
my final set of props are too chewed up right now to continue practicing until my spares get here. too much frustration. but at least i found my quad!

... after "training" on the eachine e011s i figured i'd have some hang of it. i'm not intending to race, i want to hover around slowly, like a robot in a 1970s movie, not race. i wanted a brushless model that could return in a breeze.
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Have you considered "training" on FPV Freerider? It's cheaper than buying quad parts.... It won't help you with technical issues, but it will definitely help you build your flying ability. Just a (coherent) thought. :D
 
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