suitcase deltarotor launches for production and sales.

I miss the handle! Haha! Maybe a RTF version with better quality parts and a fancy finish marketed as "The Boardroom Flyer". You could even monogram it with the exec's initials. Make a nice display stand . Maybe with a built in charger! You could do wood inlays on the Tx!
"Custom made for the executive that has everything. Starting at $995.00"
 
I learn a lot from your suggestions. I have never heard of the pendulum effect. I always wondered why drones were not designed to lift from the bottom instead of the top. Could it be the same for co axial s? There the term used was called toilet bowl effect on the back rotor stabilizer. I did not notice any wobbling when I flew it. I would have to rethink my designs if I put the battery on top. Then I would have to go to a flight control board that is not visual like the kk2 to program.
Me and wife hired two crownfunders spent about 1,000 we spent so far. I think its the plain simple fact I can't compete with the asian market when it come to price and material.
Yes, your main appeal is that this is wood. Quadlugs and flitetest are both pretty big sellers that also do this. It better to have the weight too much toward the bottom of the y axis than the top, but too much and it can be a problem. Yours may not be such a problem. Also you could make the battery strap on the top like most racing quads and that would allow you to have it plugged in, but not attached to make adjustments, as once you are ready to fly you can jsut strap it back in place.

You are probably fine though, if you got someone who can really push it to test it they could tell you.
 
These are good suggestions. I did email quadlugs, and asked him how sales where. He said its been hit and miss. He lives in my state. Flitetest have the market because of the testing they do. I can't put that much time into this business unless I get laid off. (Which is more of a reality each day). I did notice the these guys who have not made the final product before funding it like, Lily drone, Zano, and Ethos that is not a good way to go. I see that the publicity and negative publicity will shoot a business down faster than a speeding bullet or falling drone.
The appeal is the wood, I hope it also the 2 part design for easy repairs. The top contains the fc, receiver, and the bullet connected motors. The second part or bottom contains the escs, the power distribution board, the lights, landing gear, and camera junk. To un assemble it, you remove 4 or 6 screws on the top, unplug the motors wire from the esc, un plug the battery monitor, and disconnect the bullets from the motors. To identify the bullets I use two types of color paint pens, green and white. I use the same paint pen and mark each motor in braille. One dot for one. Two for two, etc. I also use the same paint pens to mark the motor wire connectors, and the escs. One of my secrets I will share is how to tell which motor is spinning in the right direction. I will put the prop on loose. It will slowly spin it in its direction enough to see what is cc or ccw. I have bad eyesight. It works every time.
I also use different color wires in my receiver to fc wiring. I steal the wires from those balance plugs and re wire them with jsts. Works really slick and is easy to identify if you stick to the same pattern.
All of this information is included on the directions for each plan if sold. lol I use the word if lightly.
 
I miss the handle! Haha! Maybe a RTF version with better quality parts and a fancy finish marketed as "The Boardroom Flyer". You could even monogram it with the exec's initials. Make a nice display stand . Maybe with a built in charger! You could do wood inlays on the Tx!
"Custom made for the executive that has everything. Starting at $995.00"

I guess I could add the handle. The stupid thing does get in the way when you want to add lights etc. I think this weekend if time allows, (may put up Christmas lights) I will make the two lights on top.
I saw a quad with clipped props on it. It had some hefty motors on it, but they clipped the ends of the props. Doesn't that sound like a bad idea? I mean to fly you would have to have a stock of clipped props when you crash. Also would not the clipped props affect the lift?
 
These are good suggestions. I did email quadlugs, and asked him how sales where. He said its been hit and miss. He lives in my state. Flitetest have the market because of the testing they do. I can't put that much time into this business unless I get laid off. (Which is more of a reality each day). I did notice the these guys who have not made the final product before funding it like, Lily drone, Zano, and Ethos that is not a good way to go. I see that the publicity and negative publicity will shoot a business down faster than a speeding bullet or falling drone.
The appeal is the wood, I hope it also the 2 part design for easy repairs. The top contains the fc, receiver, and the bullet connected motors. The second part or bottom contains the escs, the power distribution board, the lights, landing gear, and camera junk. To un assemble it, you remove 4 or 6 screws on the top, unplug the motors wire from the esc, un plug the battery monitor, and disconnect the bullets from the motors. To identify the bullets I use two types of color paint pens, green and white. I use the same paint pen and mark each motor in braille. One dot for one. Two for two, etc. I also use the same paint pens to mark the motor wire connectors, and the escs. One of my secrets I will share is how to tell which motor is spinning in the right direction. I will put the prop on loose. It will slowly spin it in its direction enough to see what is cc or ccw. I have bad eyesight. It works every time.
I also use different color wires in my receiver to fc wiring. I steal the wires from those balance plugs and re wire them with jsts. Works really slick and is easy to identify if you stick to the same pattern.
All of this information is included on the directions for each plan if sold. lol I use the word if lightly.

Yeah hahaha, this is a hobby, you are certainly not going to get rich off from it. Just hope to break even and you may do well.

Clipping props affects the thrust and speed a LOT, it also reflects on the amp draw. If you need help designing a prop clipping rig I could help.
 
I guess I could add the handle. The stupid thing does get in the way when you want to add lights etc. I think this weekend if time allows, (may put up Christmas lights) I will make the two lights on top.
I saw a quad with clipped props on it. It had some hefty motors on it, but they clipped the ends of the props. Doesn't that sound like a bad idea? I mean to fly you would have to have a stock of clipped props when you crash. Also would not the clipped props affect the lift?

I just thought the handle was a unique look. The only real purpose it probably served was crash protection. I was really just teasing you.
You stated you have about a grand invested in quads right now. Considering you have 4 or 5 now that's not bad. Most of the members, particularly the builders, on the forum have more than that invested. As GJH stated, if you can break even and it pays for your hobby that's pretty darn cool! I think you are smart to offer plans and frame kits to start. Maybe offer finish upgrade options as well. It's a unique looking quad but wood can be a hard sell for those who don't understand how strong it really is. I use it to prove design ideas. Even 650 and 700mm. Some I make in wood with no intention of ever using a different material.
I say that if you can sell enough to support your hobby, then "Well Done"!
 
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I have like 14 days left on kickstarter. Tonight I tried a simple mod. Made a plate to go on top. Cut longer studs and secured the battery connector to the frame. It's a tight fit for these 5030 props.
Flew it and I'll have to admit with the mobius on there it flew really decent. No pendulum effects. 600 grams total. The other camera would make another 45 grams.
I'll try and post of video of it flying outside this weekend.
 
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I have like 14 days left on kickstarter. Tonight I tried a simple mod. Made a plate to go on top. Cut longer studs and secured the battery connector to the frame. It's a tight fit for these 5030 props.
Flew it and I'll have to admit with the mobius on there it flew really decent. No pendulum effects. 600 grams total. The other camera would make another 45 grams.
I'll try and post of video of it flying outside this weekend.


Looks great hahaha.
 
I agree. It does look better that way. Probably feels more agile.
Have you considered slightly longer arms. You have literally half your prop over the body. Hard to get maximum lift when it's pushing that much air down on that big a surface area. Just sayin'.......:rolleyes:
 
I agree. It does look better that way. Probably feels more agile.
Have you considered slightly longer arms. You have literally half your prop over the body. Hard to get maximum lift when it's pushing that much air down on that big a surface area. Just sayin'.......:rolleyes:
That would affect lift a bit, but if he has a pretty good bit of trust the way it is it won't matter much.
 
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Way to much wood (fat arms and plate) in the down draft of the props on that overly chunky little frame. Has to create lots of turbulence and will result in a significant reduction in actual thrust numbers.
 
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Way to much wood (fat arms and plate) in the down draft of the props on that overly chunky little frame. Has to create lots of turbulence and will result in a significant reduction in actual thrust numbers.

I lean toward your view as well RG. GJH believes the motors create enough thrust to overcome the resistance. Considering it is going to be a fun flyer and not a racer it likely won't be a big deal. Like you, though, I do thing the turbulence will rear it's ugly head when full throttle tests are done.
I am fond of the wood. Totally retro cool!
 
I guess in the design could add some holes to allow for the turbulence. That would probably make it weaker and more prone to breakage. As to a racer there is no comparison to carbon fiber, (if you can tool it with normal home-shop tools) which I think is not available yet. I just wanted to see if I could make something this small with what I had on hand. Personally there is just not enough room to do much. It is like stacking up a bunch of lego blocks on a tiny frame. It flies, it looks like wood, and it compares to the hobby king
Turnigy Integrated PCB Micro-Quad V2 (Black) (KIT).
One thing I try to incorporate in my designs in the ability to modify it without changing the frames. Meaning you can use the studs to make it any way you want. Long as the fc is in the middle of the motors. Like the pictures shows.
I don't plan to enter this into any racing events.
I can't even fly with fpv yet. I am looking for a test pilot so if you want to test my designs I will be more than happy to send you a kit. I wonder if the design makes the drone fly or is it the material and motors. Could anything fly if you had the right weight to motor thrust ratio? I think only because of the new technology of the flight controllers, that is where the real workhorse is. I could be wrong tho. I have only been doing this since August. It was only last month I got brave enough to fly outside in a circle.

http://vid1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag80/2015bill/250 Class drone/20151108_114555_zpsvwax4q9d.mp4
Cool final figured out how to share a video without loading it up on youtube. :rolleyes:
 
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Although "square" wheelbase designs are naturally stable, you are right, a good FC can make anything fly. There are youtube videos of multicopters made from bicycle rims, 2x4's, hat boxes and just about anything else you can think of. The sky's the limit! (Sorry. Bad pun) Hahaha!!
I wouldn't worry too much about the turbulence right now. Later you can play with slimmer arms made of different materials and maybe a slimmer body with more stand offs for strength. You'll figure it out.
 
Some observances I discovered first hand over the weekend.
Took out the 650 with the 800 kv motors, afro 20 amp esc, 4s 4,000 mah, 9.47 props, and kk2.1 fc.
I must admit it flew beautifully even though it is a beast in the air as to its size. I think it can handle a whole lot more weight with a bigger battery and motor combination. There is room for 12 in or 15 in props. The arms can handle more weight too. I did not get much flight time on the 4s. The weight was for the entire setup was 3,386 grams. Flight time was less than 6 minutes. Took off at half throttle but after 5 minutes full throttle was needed to land. It can also be pilot error, because to be quiet honest I still loose my orientation due to my lack of experience in the air.
Now to the 430 800 kv with the new props. Flight time was longer, the motors were not whining like before with the new props 9.47. But I was not getting the performance like I was with the 935 kv and neweer simon k escs. I am not very happy with these 800 kv even though they cost more. It could be the afro too I really don't know.
Oh I am going to rename the suitcase drone to the HUAV torpedo. I think it looks like a big torpedo in the sky with a handle.
 
Some observances I discovered first hand over the weekend.
Took out the 650 with the 800 kv motors, afro 20 amp esc, 4s 4,000 mah, 9.47 props, and kk2.1 fc.
I must admit it flew beautifully even though it is a beast in the air as to its size. I think it can handle a whole lot more weight with a bigger battery and motor combination. There is room for 12 in or 15 in props. The arms can handle more weight too. I did not get much flight time on the 4s. The weight was for the entire setup was 3,386 grams. Flight time was less than 6 minutes. Took off at half throttle but after 5 minutes full throttle was needed to land. It can also be pilot error, because to be quiet honest I still loose my orientation due to my lack of experience in the air.
Now to the 430 800 kv with the new props. Flight time was longer, the motors were not whining like before with the new props 9.47. But I was not getting the performance like I was with the 935 kv and neweer simon k escs. I am not very happy with these 800 kv even though they cost more. It could be the afro too I really don't know.
Oh I am going to rename the suitcase drone to the HUAV torpedo. I think it looks like a big torpedo in the sky with a handle.
Hahaha, sounds like everything went pretty well.
 
3,386g is why you only got 6 minutes. Try a 12 X 3.8 prop and you should get a bit longer flight time. You should even be able to use a 3s battery with the 12" prop. You have never told us the size of the motors you are using. Just the KV. For example a 2316- 800kv then a 12" prop is about as large as you can go, but a 3110-800kv can handle a 13" or maybe a 14" propeller. Please let us know the brand as well.
Glad to hear things are boppin' along!
 
ah ok . sorry about that. I will have to order some 12x3.8 props. I do have a 3s 3,000 I can still use. I did find the other one that went to zero, but I am afraid to charge it. I hear that with some it does not go well once they get past 10 percent of charge left.
Turnigy Multistar 2216-800Kv 14Pole Multi-Rotor Outrunner V2. I could fit a 15 with that span on the 650 frame.
I wanted to show you my logo I made and get your guys opinion on it. I did find a laser cutter who can cut these kits for $22.00 which means I can lower my price to about $45.00 on the kits.

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The idea is to change the size for each quad. H-430 etc.
 
duh I forgot to load up the pictures of the beast.
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Look how it dwarfs my scale. I know in the hands of a good flier they will be impressed with this design. I am impressed with it and I can barley do circles without loosing control lol.
I do want to point just how durable that wood material is. See how much longer those arms are? I mean now they support all of the vibration from the motors and none from the pine. Imagine the possibilities of using a FC without having to see it to program it. I know this design can be greatly improved on.
 
That really is a good looking quad. The 2216-800KV should work great with the 1238 prop. The KV is a bit high to go larger. I'm afraid you will run into ESC/motor temperature issues if you go to a larger prop especially since most 650's weigh about a third less than yours. I have used the 1238 prop on a 580 quad with SunnySky 2216-800KV motors at about 1900grams and 3s 5200mah battery. I was very happy with how smooth and stable it was and got around 25 minutes average flight times. Experiment with the batteries to get the right combo. I am guessing you could get around 15 minute flights flying gently.
Isn't this a great disease!! Haha!
 
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