Newb Looking for advice on affordable micro/mini RTF

Skybird said:
Yeah, the reason I asked is because I searched and couldn't find any resolution specs either. I must admit for something that tiny it does look fairly decent.
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That was my thought as well. The camera and a 1s 350mah battery weighs less than the stock Syma camera. Sounds like a winner to me.
 
On a different subject I just was reading up on brushless motors and one guys says "If I was you, when you are ready to make the jump, I would look into the Syma x5C brushless model parts. Chances are you can swap out the ESCs and Motors and be flying brushless." it on reddit if you want to see the whole post
https://www.reddit.com/r/Quadcopter/comments/2s3j97/brushless_rtf_under_200_are_brushed_really_a
My question is how feasible is this I understood that only brushless quads like Phantoms have ESC, am I wrong? Since I'm leaning more towards the JJRC H5C CF, could it be done with that as well?
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Im not aware of a brushless kit to convert the toy quads..i think he didnt know what he was talking about.

Brushless are extremely more powerful and not something you want to begin with...They do require a bit more knowledge to operate and is big jump in cost for the most part.

Now, i will say they have brushless conversions for mini helicopters so it may be possible to convert a brushed to brushless on a quad but, the way the bodies are made i dont see them using the more convention quad brushless motors as they mount entirely different than brushed motors do...Helicopter motors however are sized as many brushed quads are and could possibly mount in place of a brushed motor but, they are very very expensive compared to the typical.quad type brushless motors, commonly used.

To go brushless with a quad requires a much different and more sophisticated flight control board capable of using brushless motors...There are some quite inexpensive but they require knowledge of programming and is not toy transmitter friendly...A more expensive transmitter will be required to make use of such flight board...Basically you would enter the "Hobby grade" of quadcopters...Not beginner friendly what so ever.

Each motor requires a separate speed controller as the flight boards dont use built in FETS like brushed motors do to power them.

One reason they cant be considerdd starter quads is if you fly it into some one or even yourself expect major injury if one of those props hit you..it will slice you wide open in a heart beat.

Im not saying its perfectly ok for even a syma x5 blade to hit you as im sure it will hurt and, maybe cut you but, it would be alot less severe than something brushless would be

Lean harder and pick up that JJRC H5C CF and have fun..learn to fly it..learn to operate the camera and enjoy your video...while having fun with the jjrc, keep researching the hobby grade options and once you can fly the toys safely and learn to fly it well, then maybe graduate to something different if you choose to do so.
 
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Mike H. said:
Im not aware of a brushless kit to convert the toy quads..i think he didnt know what he was talking about.

Brushless are extremely more powerful and not something you want to begin with...They do require a bit more knowledge to operate and is big jump in cost for the most part.

Now, i will say they have brushless conversions for mini helicopters so it may be possible to convert a brushed to brushless on a quad but, the way the bodies are made i dont see them using the more convention quad brushless motors as they mount entirely different than brushed motors do...Helicopter motors however are sized as many brushed quads are and could possibly mount in place of a brushed motor but, they are very very expensive compared to the typical.quad type brushless motors, commonly used.

To go brushless with a quad requires a much different and more sophisticated flight control board capable of using brushless motors...There are some quite inexpensive but they require knowledge of programming and is not toy transmitter friendly...A more expensive transmitter will be required to make use of such flight board...Basically you would enter the "Hobby grade" of quadcopters...Not beginner friendly what so ever.

Each motor requires a separate speed controller as the flight boards dont use built in FETS like brushed motors do to power them.

One reason they cant be considerdd starter quads is if you fly it into some one or even yourself expect major injury if one of those props hit you..it will slice you wide open in a heart beat.

Im not saying its perfectly ok for even a syma x5 blade to hit you as im sure it will hurt and, maybe cut you but, it would be alot less severe than something brushless would be

Lean harder and pick up that JJRC H5C CF and have fun..learn to fly it..learn to operate the camera and enjoy your video...while having fun with the jjrc, keep researching the hobby grade options and once you can fly the toys safely and learn to fly it well, then maybe graduate to something different if you choose to do so.
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I understand completely and would not be foolish enough to even go into that uncharted territory.

I may have found a contender for the H5C CF. I just stumbled on it today when I googled. 8.5 motors It's a mini small enough for indoors, you probably have heard of it before, the guys at rcgroups http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244886 put it through it's motions. It's the Kai Deng 60 some call it to the X- Fighter. I figure if I'm going to get a Chinese toy quad it might as well have a Chinese name lol, but seriously For me it has more pros then cons

Pros
1. 8.5 mm coreless motors and are affordable to replace 4 for $11.99 , plug N play like H11D not sure?
2.Stable Flyer , just as durable or more than the XC-5 or H5C CF
3. Fan Fare please, it has a gimbal remote pan up down camera, yes apparently the H11D is not the only one who has one, however how do you know what position the lense is in unless your close enough to the quad to see, or using FPV? The other question is will it arrive working or will the pinion be busted like the one of the reviewers on rcgroups got. Replacement cams are as low as $17 not bad for a remote lense compared to the Syma cams.
4. Spare parts are available at duoduogood http://www.duoduogood.com/search?co..._query=kai+deng+quadcopter&submit_search=&p=2
5. Cost is now less than 30 bucks on dealtime, but not sure if that's just BNF, I messaged them asking if it includes the cam and the new transmitter with the LCD. but it's gonna be that slow boat, unless I wanna pay $30 bucks more!
I think there is a better deal on GearBest. or BangGood.
6. 65o MAH battery, plenty of room for an 850
7. Cool Night Flyer, from what I have seen.
8. Controller has all button on top, no shoulder button to memorize, then again that could be a drawback?

unfortunately these are the cons

Cons
1.Video quality is supposed to be 720 but more like interpolated VGA, can't add wide lens. But not a lot of jello, so that's a plus.
2. Supposed to be get this, 300 meters range,(I'm reading that the Chinese seem to be mixing up meters and feet and they must mean 300 feet), but out of the box it's less, however a simple drill hole on top mod points the antenna up and out and it increases dramatically.so at least one mod has to be done outside the box, but I don't mind, that one is easy.
3. I don't think the Syma FPV kit will work with this, and if I had to put a FPV cam I would lose the remote up down pan ability.
4. Geared more towards camera quad more than sports quad, but then again it's a good beginners, since the yaw isn't very fast but it has pretty good pitch.

I wonder if a hybrid made from the JRC H11D and this one would be worth considering, seeing how the H11D is nowhere near as stable flyer like this one but has those other cam cool features and is FPV.

For what it's worth It Has had mixed reviews from quadcopter 101,

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Your thoughts?

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Pros: looks like the Nine eagles galaxy and is a very sharp looking design.

Cons: No long term following to confirm reliability, flight performance.

Conclusion: JJRC and SYMA are known and trusted models people actually buy with proven performance, reliability and abundance of parts support.

You will find 50 more models made by companies you never heard of and maybe find one or two reviews on youtube about them...Those who liked it will say its the good model..those who dont will say its garbage.

50 reviews of one model that people love ,tells a much larger story here as to making an informed decision for a purchase.

Of all the 100 models or so and different manufacturers out there, only a good handful of brands make it big and then each of those only has a handful of models that become popular..Of that handful of models that make it popular, there is at least 1 or 2 models that stand out above the rest for each manufacturer.

You can pick something different and take a chance or you can choose something that most anyone would recommend and then enjoy a first time experience into the hobby.

Nothing knocks the SYMA X5C-1 off the throne as far as a great way to get started in that style or size (200mm) of quad.

As much as im into the toy quads, im far from knowing every single model made out there and, i too follow more respected reviewers on youtube and other sites to make informative decisions...So far ive not been disappointed and, I just try to pass along the good advice along with my experience of 25 plus years being into RC in general.

I still recommend the JJRC H5C CF (the more powerful version of the x5c-1 with longer range) or the SYMA X5C-1 as trusted and respected models with extremely good parts support and availability.
 
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Mike H. said:
Pretty much i would forget anything that is wifi untill ALL of them figure out the signal bugs if thats even possible...Even we lose wifi signal via internet...its just going to happen.

To men this leaves me wondering what day the internet wants me to lose my toy quad.

Yea, those prices on that ebay link are BS..maybe hes selling just the manuals..hahaha.

That hybrid i want to build would be around $50.00 without the fpv and around $150 or so with it.

UDI is a known company..theyve been around for some time since the beginning of the toy quad movement as syma and WL toys has been.

Im not up to date on what they are offering so cant give much insight to them just yet.

By the way..the CX20 is pretty much a hobby grade set up..ive seen them for $239.00 some where...Just alot to know about setting up programming and all that jazz.

I have no doubts WL Toys or SYMA will come up with something thats more hobby grade in the near future.
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I missed this reply earlier, the Wifi thing is definitely in it's infancy and needs a lot more fine tuning. The UDI bird that intrigues me is the U818s or 842, it's a bigger a bird as the H8C though,at least I think it is it's also known as Lark and I think Falcon, the controller it what sets it apart from all the others, here's a video of it.
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I saw that Cx20 for $239 as well I think, it's $212 on tinydeal, still way out of my price range at least for now.
 
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Mike H. said:
Pros: looks like the Nine eagles galaxy and is a very sharp looking design.

Cons: No long term following to confirm reliability, flight performance.

Conclusion: JJRC and SYMA are known and trusted models people actually buy with proven performance, reliability and abundance of parts support.

You will find 50 more models made by companies you never heard of and maybe find one or two reviews on youtube about them...Those who liked it will say its the good model..those who dont will say its garbage.

50 reviews of one model that people love ,tells a much larger story here as to making an informed decision for a purchase.

Of all the 100 models or so and different manufacturers out there, only a good handful of brands make it big and then each of those only has a handful of models that become popular..Of that handful of models that make it popular, there is at least 1 or 2 models that stand out above the rest for each manufacturer.

You can pick something different and take a chance or you can choose something that most anyone would recommend and then enjoy a first time experience into the hobby.

Nothing knocks the SYMA X5C-1 off the throne as far as a great way to get started in that style or size (200mm) of quad.

As much as im into the toy quads, im far from knowing every single model made out there and, i too follow more respected reviewers on youtube and other sites to make informative decisions...So far ive not been disappointed and, I just try to pass along the good advice along with my experience of 25 plus years being into RC in general.

I still recommend the JJRC H5C CF (the more powerful version of the x5c-1 with longer range) or the SYMA X5C-1 as trusted and respected models with extremely good parts support and availability.
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Whew,at around $150 Nine Eagles Galaxy Visitor is pretty pricey for a toy quad don't you think? What you are saying, I kind of got that feeling myself and I had a dream last night, lately I dream a lot with quadcopters lol. I kept hearing under powered repeated over and over, that just happens to be what the disappointment is with the Kai Deng, I understand when something is tried and proven it's hard to beat and both models you are recommending have little contenders in that arena. Also the fact that there are so many, they can be had for as little as $45 here in the states, is a big plus.
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The main thing is flight performance which the flight boards all control.

This is why i like to build my own..i can put a great flight board in almost any model i want and make it just as good if not better than one single model.

Protocol is a big concern as even just a simple radio upgrade (that uses the same protocol) can turn an otherwise boring quad with not so great performance or reviews into an amazing flyer.

The Walkera Devo 7E transmitter is turning this hobby on its head with its ability to use just about any "common" protocol.

The X5C-1 is really limited by its transmitter...you cant adjust parameters to give it more pitch or yaw or even roll...You can however Fly the X5C-1 using a DEVO 7E transmitter with the proper module and antenna installed which is less than $10.00 but, will require some soldering skills and programming skills...Just this transmitter alone can wake up any model that it can be programmed to fly with...What alot of people are looking for in models is the ability of the board to be connected to this radio..You can program ALOT of protocols with this radio. And some you cant.

Or you can simply install a different flight board all together and another cheap radio that offers even more percentage of yaw and pitch and roll built in..In this case the JJRC 1000A flight board with either a WL TOYS 2x2 or Tarantula x6 radio would turn that x5c-1 into another quad all together but unfortunately not with a camera feature, as the jjrc 1000 board has no inputs to connect the camera or fpv...This doesnt mean you cant use an 808 camera or install an fpv system however.

JJRC always seems to program for more aggressive flight characteristics than others in higher rates and, have usually been among the best as far as range is concerned...My JJRC 1000A has a true 150m of actual range..I couldnt even see the quad at that distance because of how small it is...ive not gone maybe past 50m as of yet.

There is alot of cool looking quads out there but they arent all equal even if one may offer some decent performance or get a good review.

There are a very small hanful of members in other places who disect these quads under a microscope (figure of speech) and they offer the most accurate insight and opinions to most all these models...Some receive them from companies for free and give unbiased reviews..These models they give approval of generally become the better selling or popular models.

If you want to follow a very smart reviewer then look up videos by SeByDocky on youtube.

Other reviewers like Frequent Flyer and Quadcopter 101 will give honest reviews but they arent into the more technical aspects of each model.
 
Mike H. said:
The main thing is flight performance which the flight boards all control.

This is why i like to build my own..i can put a great flight board in almost any model i want and make it just as good if not better than one single model.

Protocol is a big concern as even just a simple radio upgrade (that uses the same protocol) can turn an otherwise boring quad with not so great performance or reviews into an amazing flyer.

The Walkera Devo 7E transmitter is turning this hobby on its head with its ability to use just about any "common" protocol.

The X5C-1 is really limited by its transmitter...you cant adjust parameters to give it more pitch or yaw or even roll...You can however Fly the X5C-1 using a DEVO 7E transmitter with the proper module and antenna installed which is less than $10.00 but, will require some soldering skills and programming skills...Just this transmitter alone can wake up any model that it can be programmed to fly with...What alot of people are looking for in models is the ability of the board to be connected to this radio..You can program ALOT of protocols with this radio. And some you cant.
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As far as protocol goes with a transmitter, can buttons be assigned on a transmitter like the DEVO 7E? I was thinking, since they sell a replacement cam for the X5c and H5C that has a movable up and down lense, if it's possible a servo can be put in with a receiver and the control assigned to to the radio controller?

Or you can simply install a different flight board all together and another cheap radio that offers even more percentage of yaw and pitch and roll built in..In this case the JJRC 1000A flight board with either a WL TOYS 2x2 or Tarantula x6 radio would turn that x5c-1 into another quad all together but unfortunately not with a camera feature, as the jjrc 1000 board has no inputs to connect the camera or fpv...This doesnt mean you cant use an 808 camera or install an fpv system however.
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I was thinking it sounds like that conversion would be basically morph it into a total different quad altogether, funny you should mention FPV system, I got curious about Night Vision and wanted to see what the options , are other than the Kx-191, not too affordable, but it's a fact that any CCD if it has the filter removed can do a lot better in low light conditions, so I was wondering can the Syma/JJC cams have the CCD filter removed? Also from what I read, creating an FPV system, connecting the camera to a transmitter and getting a LCD monitor/receiver can be a bit of work and pricey, but with the Syma FPV kit for around $50 bucks, it's affordable for everyone, any idea if that monitor setup can be paired with other cams like the Kx-191, is this cam light enough to go on a X5c like bird? One thing is certain the X5c like birds can work with that FPV kit with no problem, it would a real pain to get FPV with the ones that don't. So unless there is something else comes along that's doable I'm going with the H5C CF.

JJRC always seems to program for more aggressive flight characteristics than others in higher rates and, have usually been among the best as far as range is concerned...My JJRC 1000A has a true 150m of actual range..I couldnt even see the quad at that distance because of how small it is...ive not gone maybe past 50m as of yet.
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Is FPV helpful when it gets that far or is it just too out of range for the monitor?


There are a very small hanful of members in other places who disect these quads under a microscope (figure of speech) and they offer the most accurate insight and opinions to most all these models...Some receive them from companies for free and give unbiased reviews..These models they give approval of generally become the better selling or popular models.

If you want to follow a very smart reviewer then look up videos by SeByDocky on youtube.
Other reviewers like Frequent Flyer and Quadcopter 101 will give honest reviews but they arent into the more technical aspects of each model.
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I was thinking of SeByDocky before you mentioned him, I saw his review before on a micro wall crawler and on the K-60, is he French? I agree the others don't do much dissecting lol.
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Skybird said:
I missed this reply earlier, the Wifi thing is definitely in it's infancy and needs a lot more fine tuning. The UDI bird that intrigues me is the U818s or 842, it's a bigger a bird as the H8C though,at least I think it is it's also known as Lark and I think Falcon, the controller it what sets it apart from all the others, here's a video of it.
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I saw that Cx20 for $239 as well I think, it's $212 on tinydeal, still way out of my price range at least for now.
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When you are ready, skybird, let me know. I bought 2 Quanum Nova's(HK CX20) w/ no battery, for $229 each. I don't know why I did that. Senility I guess. I have one that I only opened to check that all the parts were there. Never assembled. Never powered. I will sell it to you for $229. Shipped. This is a real CX20, not a copy, like the ones that have been causing so much trouble. I also have 2 new 3000mah Multistar batteries. If you want to add those in, $270 for all. Shipped.
 
HDtallrider said:
When you are ready, skybird, let me know. I bought 2 Quanum Nova's(HK CX20) w/ no battery, for $229 each. I don't know why I did that. Senility I guess. I have one that I only opened to check that all the parts were there. Never assembled. Never powered. I will sell it to you for $229. Shipped. This is a real CX20, not a copy, like the ones that have been causing so much trouble. I also have 2 new 3000mah Multistar batteries. If you want to add those in, $270 for all. Shipped.
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Thanks HD, I'm pretty slow to pull the trigger, look how long it's taking me just to get my first bird, lol, but I will keep it in mind for sure.
 
Understand. Just thought I'd throw it out there. I still say you should get a mini for indoor and the X5C1 for outdoor. You can add upgrades to the x5 as you become a more skilled flier. All for under a $100.00.
 
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Understand. Just thought I'd throw it out there. I still say you should get a mini for indoor and the X5C1 for outdoor. You can add upgrades to the x5 as you become a more skilled flier. All for under a $100.00.
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That's cool, I'm more inclined to go for for the H5C CF with more powerful motors and cost a little less, I just found out it is available for $46.99 U.S. Direct on Tmart and this customers comment pretty much sealed it for me "The JJRC quad copter flies great Tmart sent me the newest version and files very well has a good range and takes great video! This is my 3rd drone and is a keeper however, the CF function is a little funky and not very headless the return to home works okay but for the price this is a good deal. I have a SYMA x5 which is similar but the WIFI cuts out when taking video when you get too high and drops out that said I\'d take this quad copter over the SYMA any day."
I realize everyone is different and has their own positive or negative experiences , I think he is referring to a X5 SW but I think this statement says a lot.
As for a mini maybe bayang X9 not sure yet. One thing for sure as we get closer to Xmas, there will be sales and that means price reductions I would think. On a different subject, I was curious to know how you could have an altimeter on a bird, and I came across telemetry kits, have you guys experimented with this and is there a controller out there that can do telemetry and is on the same protocol as X5C or H5C CF, are those two birds on the same protocol? Ok so I see the pricier Devos have telemetry capability no wonder Mike recommends it, he says its protocol is compatible with the the X5C but what about the H5C CF? But I'm realizing that in order to have telemetry you have to have an APM, and that is probably not doable with these toy birds? Something else I just found kind of interesting since Flying Ryan did his review on the original H5C, he did not do an update, I think there is like one video that's an update and I didn't find it very informative, I'm thinking of making at least an un boxing video to show the great updates, like for example in addition to the 8.5 motors, the remote is now white and it makes a lot more sense, in the original in Ryan's review, you had both camera and flip buttons both on the right shoulder, so if you did a flip you took a picture, or I guess if you took a photo you did a flip, lol Now it makes a lot more sense with the button separate, I guess it's trial and error for these manufacturers. Although you have to file that one under what in the world were they thinking when they designed that controller?
Thanks for all the good tips and info, I just wish their was a local flying club near me to fly with.
 
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The Devo radio is only compatible with modifications done to it..Its a $50 $55 dollar radio but has exponential adjustments and alot of other features toy radios dont have that allow one to fine tune the quad how they like it...You can add more pitch or take it away...the same with yaw and roll.

What everyone likes about the Devo is you can add to it as needed to fly whatever quad you want pretty much with supported programming.

An example is the syma uses the NRF24L01 module in its transmitter to fly with..You need this same module installed in your radio and then programmed via computer with software made to communicate with the specific quad in question...So you dont just simply buy that radio and it works.

The JJRC and Syma i dont believe are on the same protocol...Models can share a similar module but not work with each other...Actually Syma switched protocols between the X5C and the X5C-1 so those radios arent even compatible with each other.

My JJRC 1000A shares protocol with alot of WL toys 2x2 transmitters as well as the JJRC H8C and the Tarantula X6 but, it doesnt share it with the JJRC X5C models...These companies are playing musical protocol and ,thats actually a big P.I.T.A.

Much of what the review says about the JJRC is why i recommend it over the Syma but, still recommend the Syma as well, as both are great quads and again with the jjrc having an edge over the syma as i was mentioning.

The video quality on the jjrc is slightly better but, its still not 808 keychain camera quality.

Return to home function is really hit and miss...instructions dont really explain how it works and many write it off as a gimmick, which in a way it is.

The quad has to be programmed (in RTH mode) facing a direction in front of you..What the RTH (return to home) mode does is, it basically flies backwards from the direction you started in but, if you fly off to right or left of that heading it doesnt actually come back to you where you started from..it just flies backwards from the direction its in at that time....Its to mimic how a real hobby quad has the RTH feature but, those actually come back to its take off position no matter where its at and, uses GPS to accomplish that feat...some of the toys use a magnetic compass but its not very accurate to say the least.

Anything featuring Headless Mode, is really a crutch to the learning ability of actually flying the quad and learning something...You dont have to be in headless mode but, using it wont help you learn anything...Headless mode can be considered sort of a "easy mode" where turning right or left is always right or left no matter what orientation the quad may be in...Hardly a learning tool to flying.

So to me, headless mode and RTH are a crock of bologna...i guess the best things about them is you dont have to use them.
 
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The Devo radio is only compatible with modifications done to it..Its a $50 $55 dollar radio but has exponential adjustments and alot of other features toy radios dont have that allow one to fine tune the quad how they like it...You can add more pitch or take it away...the same with yaw and roll.

What everyone likes about the Devo is you can add to it as needed to fly whatever quad you want pretty much with supported programming.

An example is the syma uses the NRF24L01 module in its transmitter to fly with..You need this same module installed in your radio and then programmed via computer with software made to communicate with the specific quad in question...So you dont just simply buy that radio and it work.

The JJRC and Syma i dont believe are on the same protocol...Models can share a similar module but not work with each other.

My JJRC 1000A shares protocol with alot of WL toys 2x2 transmitters as well as the JJRC H8C and the Tarantula X6 but, it doesnt share it with the JJRC X5C models...These companies are playing musical protocol and ,thats actually a big P.I.T.A.

Much of what the review says about the JJRC is why i recommend it over the Syma but, still recommend the Syma as well, as both are great quads and again with the jjrc having an edge over the syma as i was mentioning.

The video quality on the jjrc is slightly better but, its still not 808 keychain camera quality.

Return to home function is really hit and miss...instructions dont really explain how it works and many write it off as a gimmick, which in a way it is.

The quad has to be programmed (in RTH mode) facing a direction in front of you..What the RTH (return to home) mode does is, it basically flies backwards from the direction you started in but, if you fly off to right or left of that heading it doesnt actually come back to you where you started from..it just flies backwards from the direction its in at that time....Its to mimic how a real hobby quad has the RTH feature but, those actually come back to its take off position no matter where its at and, uses GPS to accomplish that feat...some of the toys use a magnetic compass but its not very accurate to say the least.

Anything featuring Headless Mode, is really a crutch to the learning ability of actually flying the quad and learning something...You dont have to be in headless mode but, using it wont help you learn anything...Headless mode can be considered sort of a "easy mode" where turning right or left is always right or left no matter what orientation the quad may be in...Hardly a learning tool to flying.

So to me, headless mode and RTH are a crock of bologna...i guess the best things about them is you dont have to use them.
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That's why I guess sharing protocol is so important. I just realized I have an old I think Futaba Controller, someone gave me when I lived in FL. I don't know if it works, but I'm thinking about selling it and seeing if I can put the money towards a Devo. So what about Telemetry is it a waste of time for toy quads? I wouldn't mind knowing what altitude and speed it's flying when I get good enough to get it up in the sky, not too high of course. Of course I'm getting ahead of myself. Funny you should mention WLtoys, I entered a contest today for a V686G, do you know if that are they any good? As far as RTH and Headless mode, is that also known as CF? There was one video where the reviewer demonstrated, I think it was on the the H5C CF, RTH using headless mode, demonstrating that very point that it will only return to the heading it was put on before the RTH is pressed, if that makes sense. On a unrelated subject, I was reading the customer reviews on the FPV Kit on BangGood, and some were happy, but some said they received duds and that the camera payload was just too heavy for their X5C, I wonder if the H5C CF having the 8.5 mm motors makes a big difference for the payload. Speaking of motors I was wondering how is it that the H5C CF and the Kai Deng X-60 both have 8.5 motors and yet the X-60 is underpowered, something to do with frame design, blades,battery? What if they had tried it with a 850 battery, it certainly had the room for it. Could it be the gears? Could shimming them be better, I wonder why SeByDocky, didn't make any suggestions especially on it being underpowered, after dissecting it? I really like the design, it's too bad, I'm interested on your thoughts on how you would hybridize something like that?
 
Forget telemetry in a starter quad..what you want first is a "trainer" quad to learn how to fly...You arent going to turn your toy into a full fledged hobby grade capable of carrying all the electronics you need for telemetry with gps and full size FPV cameras on 200mm toy quad even with 8.5mm motors...Your best chance of accomplishing that would however be with a syma X8C.

Not all flight boards are created equal even if they may power the same sized motors and quads...Weight can be a part of it..The pitch of the props...the pitch of the quad in general when flying....the maximum amperage capability of the FET's on the board...Alot of variables come into play...Dont forget the quality of the actual programming of the board itself and, the radio you are using it with to allow it to be utilized.

Going with a much larger battery sometimes isnt a solution to a problem..As mah rating goes up so does weight..At some point you cross a fine line where the added weight out weighs the benefits of longer flight times and or performance..Also this burns up motors faster due to added weight and sometimes excess heat from running longer than intended.

Its overwhelming trying to figure out what you want and, with all the choices and options out there... i recommend you not overload your brain with all that stuff and, just get a quad to learn to fly with...As cheap as it is to purchase and fly these toy quads ,you can try many different models and, research hobby grade style options later down the road.

You can hybrid almost anything you want, as long as what you want to do is compatible with each other...you cant put SYMA X8C motors in a X5C for example ,nor does the X8C flight boards work with the X5C motors.

Start from the beginning and work your way up.

First step :Buying a quad that is highly recommended and learning how to fly..camera or no camera..FPV or no FPV..cameras and fpv doesnt teach you how to fly.

About the v686...they have issues with motors burning out quickly.
 
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I kind of figured Telemetry was more of a non toy quad deal, as far as not overwhelming my brain, too late, I have gone too far down the quadcopter rabbit hole, lol.

So I think I need to be more honest with myself and what I'm looking for, yes I would like to learn to fly these birds, yes I want to have an eye in the sky even if it's just a for a few short minutes, yes I would like to experience FPV ever since I heard about it years ago. BTW I just watched a review by SeByDockey of the Syma FPV kit and he had good things to say about it.

I realize that you don't learn to fly proficiently that way, but would like to see real time, rather than wait to see what was recorded. I realize you have to learn to crawl before you can walk or run. I would also like something sporty like the K-60 Galaxy Visitor or or something similar, but it's probably not the best way to learn. I'm very much concerned about motor burn out and the cost to replace them and I read as you said that the V686 has that issue, one guy burned out his motor after his 12th flight another I think even sooner. I don't know how much of an issue that is with the X5C, but I haven't had much luck finding replacement motors for the H5C CF, I guess because of the newer motors, One thing I was wondering, do 8.5mm motors fit in the X5C? I remember early on seeing a video where someone did a upgrade on motors and blades and that thing booked, I'm not sure which one it was. I should also mention since I'm not much good with soldering, plug and play motors like on the H11D are a real plus.

Anyhow still gathering data before I jump in the pool, I'm like that lol. Right now it's pouring cats and dogs here in OR, gee what a surprise, rain in OR. lol, but I realize this time of year we get very few dry days till Spring, there is no way I'm going outside to fly in a downpour, drizzle maybe, so that means a lot of flying is going to have be done indoors, while our place isn't small it's no warehouse so I'm thinking I might need to consider a mini more so for starters, Hubsan 4 is nice but pricey and sharp blades, I still want the cam, and FPV would be nice so I'm thinking more along the lines of a Cheerson X-30s maybe SeBydockey rated it good, it has 8.5 motors on it. I favor that one over the X11C or Hubsan 4 for example because the cam is removable and I like that option. I'm thinking I can start out with one of these micros and as the weather gets better and so do I, move up in size.
Any thoughts?
 
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8.5 motors do not fit the syma x5...However you have an alternative to fit the FY326 motor holders to the syma..its not exactly a direct replacement but it has been done before...But keep in mind the radio only allows so much pitch so it may not really be any faster with larger motors..The JJRC provides more pitch so it would be a bit faster even if it were only 7mm motors as well...The Devo 7E transmitter is what wakes up the x5 as it will allow you to set more pitch for faster speed...But the radio deal is not beginner friendly.

8.5mm motors are in abundance...it doesnt have to be exactly the 8.5mm motors that came with the JJRC..any 8.5 motors will work on it...However they are geared with a pinion on the shafts...as long as you use those pinion gears ,you are good to go.

Unfortunately burned motors are a fact of quad life...even hobby grade quads burn up motors...These motors are mass produced and sometimes you get a good one and sometimes a bad one..The motors for the x5's are less than $3.00 each with pinions already attached...They are 7mm motors.
 
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8.5 motors do not fit the syma x5...However you have an alternative to fit the FY326 motor holders to the syma..its not exactly a direct replacement but it has been done before...But keep in mind the radio only allows so much pitch so it may not really be any faster with larger motors..The JJRC provides more pitch so it would be a bit faster even if it were only 7mm motors as well...The Devo 7E transmitter is what wakes up the x5 as it will allow you to set more pitch for faster speed...But the radio deal is not beginner friendly.

8.5mm motors are in abundance...it doesnt have to be exactly the 8.5mm motors that came with the JJRC..any 8.5 motors will work on it...However they are geared with a pinion on the shafts...as long as you use those pinion gears ,you are good to go.

Unfortunately burned motors are a fact of quad life...even hobby grade quads burn up motors...These motors are mass produced and sometimes you get a good one and sometimes a bad one..The motors for the x5's are less than $3.00 each with pinions already attached...They are 7mm motors.
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Well that's good to know I'm still thinking I might go with the JJRC, the little guys just don't really have good cameras. somebody just dropped the price on the H5C to around $34 I think with $11.99 expedited shipping I wish I could remember who lol. It has the white remote, with the new box, should I just figure it's the H5C CF or do I need to ask them? It's LighTake, are they any good?
 
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