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ctdigger

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I am new here and to Quadcopters. I have 3D printed the Spyda 500 Quadcopter, I have all the parts on my bench and need help assembling it properly and what hardware, electronics, controller etc. to get it to fly. I have contacted the designer(Gyrobot-thingiverse)for build info and parts list but have not heard back. So if there is any body out there that can help me out I would greatly appreciate it very much. I want to get this thing together so my 2 grandsons can have some fun flying it. Thank You for your assistance.
ctdigger
 
This unit was from Thingiverse but the author didn't include electronics/parts list so I have no idea what I need. I would like gps, hold like you said, I don't know where to purchase and I have a limited budget. I'm building this to play with my grandsons.
Thank you
Bruce
 
Ok keep it cheap as it will be crashed a lot , places to buy are EBay or banggood , hobbyking, amazon etc
If you Google say quad motors 1500kv it will come up with stuff also use ecalc.com to put in the spec of your build it will tell you if it's going to work or not
If you don't have a transmitter you may be new off getting a ready to fly quad , you can still get a kit so you enjoy the build , or another way would be to get 2 small toy quads so they can both fly at the same time
I think a word of warning if the quad your building is over toy size and a 500 will be your have to register it do a pilot test etc , so may be toy one would be the better way to go
I know you have the frame but if that's all you have and have never done this hobby before it's going to cost you a lot by the time you get everything you could land up spending £800 plus a 500 is a big quad
How about these
 
Thanks for the info but none of these ships to the U.S.
How about some of this hardware? Or something comparable in lower cost.
FC-
LPZ RC Shop. Xiangtat APM2.8 ArduPilot Flight Controller+Neo 6M GPS+ 915Mhz 3DR Radio Telemetry Kit + Power Module + MiniOSD

ESC-4 Xafro 20A multi rotor ESC (simonK firmware)

motors 4 Turnigy D2830-11 1000kv Brushless

props- Turnigy slowfly 10x4.5

fpv camera- Mobius Action Cam 1080p HD video camera w/video out(Hobbyking)

FPV Transmitter- FrSky Taranis plus(aloft hobbies) maybe something a bit less$$

Receiver-FrSky RX8R

Batteries-Gens ace 2200mAh 25c


Of course items at a lesser cost but still somewhat comparable

Thank You for all your help
 
Hi they were just a list of what to look for your side of the pond
Do you have a transmitter as there is not one in your list
 
Are these motors sufficient for the Spyda 500, will produce enough lift? If not suggestions please.
Thanks
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Yes they will work are you going 4cell , it does not say if that kv is at 3 or 4 cell or how many amps it pulls with what prop /battery set up , use ecalc to find out amps pulled on the props your thinking of using
 
@ctdigger Those motors plus those props aren't likely to work out, as suggested would get an account at ecalc.ch and plug all your numbers in there for actual components you'll buy to see what the actual flight time should be expected (roughly).

The motor kv is an approximation but it tells you how many RPM the motor does for each 1V you apply. So a 100kv motor with 1V goes 100RPM, same motor kv with 2V goes 200RPM. At some point the copper in the windings gets fully saturated with current/heat and can't take any more volts (really the ESCs pulse the voltage on and off very quickly in a "PWM" like duty cycle signal to deliver an average voltage by just sending the full voltage for some percentage of the time, say you have a 14V battery it will pulse 14V then 0V then 14V and if it is on 14V for 50% of the time it's like 7V is being applied, the applied voltage across a mostly fixed resistance coil in the motor creates a current proportional to the voltage applied... anyways deep in the weeds now :D )

Main point is any kv motor can work with any voltage battery really, the limit is how much current flows through the motor and for how long (more current for more time = more heat) if the motor can't dissipate the heat quickly enough the enamel coating on the wires will melt and the wires will short and get much hotter much faster (smoked motors).

Regarding 10" props, I'm using 13" props on a new hexacopter build and would strongly recommend not going with anything nearly this big for a first build. You should look at 3" or maybe 5" builds, 3" off the shelf are good learners since can crash a lot and they are hard to break (relatively speaking). A 5" is a pretty standard size to build DIY and can find 1000 guides on YouTube to follow step by step and don't have to deal with troubleshooting on your first go around. For my 13" props on a hexacopter I'm using 620kv so for the same volts applied my 620kv motors will only spin about 1/5th or 1/6th the speed the 3500kv motors can spin but mine have more torque so they can spin a bigger prop, small motors with no torque trying to spin a big prop really fast just isn't going to work (they won't actually be able to spin it up or maintain that speed with a big load on them like a big prop).

Long long long story short, use ecalc.ch get the license once you know kind of what the parts are (sounds like you're there) then start plugging in numbers on the left and hit calculate, share your results or let us know if you have issues filling in some/all of the boxes (mostly just need to fill in stuff on the left-most side, other parts are customization details).
 
@ctdigger regarding the flight controller I would suggest going with Betaflight compatible board like the Kakute F7 or one of the Matek F4 or F7 processor based flight controllers. They will be able to run the latest Betaflight software which is common for FPV pilots to be using. Ardupilot or APM boards are more inline with Pixhawk and other open platforms that are geared more towards GPS control and waypoint flights rather than the more "manual" FPV flying (different strokes for different folks but if going for FPV racing/acrobatic experience get a betaflight compatible flight controller board)

For the cam the mobius is okay I personally am a fan of runcam stuff. Specifically the "runcam split 2" or there is a runcam split 3 micro now or few other variations where can do on board HD recording to an SD card and stream analog in one module basically, saves cost of a go pro or similar HD cam for getting nice footage to share.


^^ check getfpv and racedayquads for generally good parts and reviews then search elsewhere for deals if you can't stomach the price. If in the US you will get things much faster from these retailers than bangood etc. coming from China since these retailers have warehouses in the US.
 
wafflejock, I think I will go with this stack and following your lead on the other suggestions. I want to get the right stuff that works right with each other. I'm not electronic/aeronautical savy so I depend on others(I'm a 71 yr old grandpa and I want to do many things with my grandchildren) before it's too late and I appreciate your help and knowledge in this fun hobby. Please check out my last list of "stuff" I posted and make any suggestions to make it all come together if you please.
Yhank You very much
ctdigger

 
Yup sorry forget my audience many times (hard to get out of my head sometimes :) ).

Will take a look and let you know what I think a bit later here just few things to take care of, mostly parts you had picked out looked as though they should work too, just motor size and kv is a key thing to get right for decent flight time and enough power to stay in control (is a balancing act)

There's a lot to learn with doing this the diy path and think it's admirable and super kind of you to do this for your grand kids too. Also, small disclaimer I have built quite a few quads of my own and they all fly but there was always some work after assembly to get things tuned to fly well, but flying at all is super fun so not a big deal after getting all the right parts put together in the right place :D
 
Awesome yah that looks like a pretty nice stack to me to build around too. 30x30 is pretty standard sized for the larger quads (20x20 boards for smaller stuff but harder to work on and 30x30 is small enough as is).

They are advertising this one for using with the DJI AirUnit (digital receiver and digital HD video transmitter in one), but that really just means it has a high enough voltage/current output on them to power an AirUnit but that would also be a good power supply for any sort of typical analog video transmitter and most FPV cameras will take a range of voltage too from somewhere around 5V-20V but always worth checking specs on those before hooking up power. Usually the receiver (on the quad) for your controller/transmitter takes 5V or 3.3V if using some of the spektrum based ones so just make sure not to feed the 9V into there, if a power supply has some Amp rating it's a maximum (so won't usually damage things, just maybe not enough amps to power a thing up) but a Voltage rating that's too high will cook components not rated to take in that voltage.
 
Flysky i16 FS-i16 transmitter
BetaFPV supplier
BetaFPV 0802 12000KV Brushless motors
Matek ECHUB-6sPDB Flight Controller
iFlight Succex mini F4 FC stack 45A2-6s BLHeli s 4-1 ESC Speed Controller
Matek Sam-m8q GPS Module
Caddis Beetle VI 1800VTL Micro FPV camera + 5.8g VTL

I think that's it, if not please feel free to list what I missed
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the motors and controller I couldn't find so I just plugged in. I did buy the ecalc.
Cool yah worth having to be able to plug in custom actual values to make sure things are all going to work before getting it all together and going through the work of assembling.

Regarding the values in there make sure to get your frame size correct first so that the prop size can be maxed out. Can see how big would fit before the blades would run into each other. Frame size is going to be measured on an angle across the middle of the quad from motor to motor, (so the distance from front left motor to back right motor, or front right motor to back left motor). This way the calc will let you know if you picked an unreasonable prop size for the frame. Next key thing to get in there is the right prop size, then can try to calculate again and see how your values are looking also choose the w/o drive weight option believe then it's just frame weight and will add the battery per cell weight and motor weight for totals.
 
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