help with motor options

inspired to spend more by internet searches. aliexpress... 20 coreless 7mm motors for $8 aah shucks they're 15mm. snagged 4x 820 on ebay for under $5 shipped, listed as parts for hubsan something or other. someone selling a pair of 720s for $2.49 shipped including props.

i've got three little e011 controllers here all useless so i ordered a e011 flight controller (i like it..) and a handful o' motors, so i'll have an extra quad pending i take a mo to put it together. someone on youtube has swapped out the 7mms on the e011 for 8.5mm, said they didn't see much difference - iirc it was that guy who doesn't seem to fly real well tho :) so perhaps better results with some attention. looks like there will be some cactus rib quads after all. i wonder if i can run two small motors in parallel and put somethnig together that can handle wind. (i've seen some 8.5mms dm002? that can do more wind than stock e011... not messing with "acro flash" because there is so little conveyed about it and i cannot install keil... i thought the e011 was already acro mode (manual altitude). maybe the stock e011 fcb doesn't utilise the motors to their fullest (and tbh, i have no **ing clue if the e011 is 715 or 720.. most of the manuf. copy says 715 but here and there folks say 720 and all mine have buggered off so i cannot measure them). it's a drag talking to folks who don't seem to want to tell you much about the thing you're talking about so i'll skip engaging the big ol' e011 mods thread at rcgr*ups. 60 pages of "where is the interesting stuff to read?"

"poor arthur, alone in his room reading quadcopter posts on the internet for entertainment. i want you to meat pee pull."
"All in it's just another brick in the wall...." "If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding!!! How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your meat???!!!"
 
alright then..

rec'd flysky and lipo charger and bits n bobs today. so there are 4 rc Tx in teh house and sod all to fly. the wolves are closer today, simpkins still hasn't returned from surveying. the strange marks on hutchence have returned again. we had to eat each others homework to survive. the unending howling of the winds and the omnipresent scent of that nefarious pudding. i warned them but they said, "gigapudding means it's extra pudding" with the stuff hanging all over their faces.

 
alright then..

rec'd flysky and lipo charger and bits n bobs today. so there are 4 rc Tx in teh house and sod all to fly. the wolves are closer today, simpkins still hasn't returned from surveying. the strange marks on hutchence have returned again. we had to eat each others homework to survive. the unending howling of the winds and the omnipresent scent of that nefarious pudding. i warned them but they said, "gigapudding means it's extra pudding" with the stuff hanging all over their faces.

"We're so sorry, Uncle Albert. But we haven't had a bloody thing all day. We're so sorry, Uncle Albert. But the kettle's on the boil, and WE'RE SO EASILY CALLED AWAAAAAY!!!"
 
:rolleyes: .... Apparently, Mr. Chatty, you don't fully understand how PIDs work.
It is, of course, an acronym for Proportional Integral Derivative.
The "short time data vs long time data" factors you refer to are a function of the integral aspect, as sampled over a given time (no calculus needed and yes, I DO know calculus too)
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With the integral values determined, the derivative is called upon to invoke the correction of that sample while effectively limiting any overcorrection.
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Upon which the correction is applied via the proportional aspect, the action of which is relatively self explanatory (Note that the derivative is somewhat predictive in it's sampling indications)
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Which makes for a highly reactive, very adjustable (and yet still stable) control loop feedback mechanism which can be summed up as:
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:eek:

What does all this math mean to the average quadcopter pilot ? o_O

Simply put:
"P" is the most important value to worry about (in fact both "I" and "D" can be zero and the quad will still fly).
It represents the REACTION to inputs (your's and the PID's).
The higher a P value is the sharper the control is, while a lower value yields softer control (think of it like "twitchy" versus "lazy").
Too high of a P setting can lead to overcorrection and wobbling though.

"I" is the self correcting against outside forces, like wind for instance.
It tries to keep the quad as it is.
If you find that your quad is kinda drifty then up your I value.

"D" tries to soften the abruptness of P's actions.
If you notice some minor oscillations, especially when performing acro maneuvers, you might want to bump up D a little bit.
Too much D makes the quad feel sluggish though and can also amplify noise in the control system which will then reintroduce oscillations !

Turn in your homework and school is out. :cool:




What he said:p
 
Common mistake, Yay. It's "manual atitude". Whatever pitch, yaw or roll you are in when you return the stick to "neutral"(centered) it maintains that function. My QX90 is about 50ft up a tree somewhere and I can't find it after 3 days looking........because I forgot that...........


You didn't;)
Is it the same tree???
You gotta take a chain saw to it
 
ahsoo...

thanks for that pearl of practical experience... because you're probably about to witness an entirely new way to lose $100 due to the most frustratingly miniscule criteria going..

fill in the blank, "yay lost his first drone because _________" you know, trousers catch fire, turns head, droney disappear, money fly to banggood.
 
ahsoo...

thanks for that pearl of practical experience... because you're probably about to witness an entirely new way to lose $100 due to the most frustratingly miniscule criteria going..

fill in the blank, "yay lost his first drone because _________" you know, trousers catch fire, turns head, droney disappear, money fly to banggood.
You wouldn't happen to be a decendent of the Captain, navigator, or helmsman onboard the Titanic would you? This is a prime example of a need for a "two man crew" on some drones. A pilot and either a co-pilot or navigator....
 
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