U.S. Will Require Drones to Be Registered
- Thread starter ringolong
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Well the person refusing to return it is stealing. If you find an item you are only able to keep it after making a reasonable effort to find the owner. If you fail to make that 'reasonable' effort to find the owner, then you have stolen the item. This also applies to a downed multirotor, the owner refusing to give you the craft is committing a crime (in the US), this means you can call the police (on a NON emergency line, so no 911), the officer will likely ask them to return the item, and having some sort of proof of ownership would be nice, receipt is ideal, but even the transmitter might be enough for the LEO for you to get it back.
RAnst4038
Vir Cotto
Humans are only 99% Chimp & there is just something about flying things above them that really jerks there Chimp chain.
The first time I flew my FoxBat Ultralite over my bosses mansion I thought he was going to have a stroke.
The thought of a peon having the power to fly like a god above them is just infuriating to a egomaniac!
The first time I flew my FoxBat Ultralite over my bosses mansion I thought he was going to have a stroke.
The thought of a peon having the power to fly like a god above them is just infuriating to a egomaniac!
Twainhearts
Member
In a case of someone refusing to return it, the registration will work in your favor. Since every craft over a certain size is required to have the registration number on it, and the owner is to carry a copy of the registration with them (physical or electronic), then call the police, and you have the registration for the craft which will match the registration number place on the UAV. And if they person removes the number, then they are holding an "unregistered" UAV which has penalties in itself.
At this point I have some UAVs that are under weight, and a few that are under, but since I have to register anyways, the number is being placed on all of them regardless of size. I know Local law enforcement were I live try to keep abreast of these kind of things, but it will make life easier if they do not have to carry a scale with them if they see me flying at the local field.
ringolong
Well-Known Member
Member Communication
Dear AMA Members,
Yesterday, the AMA Executive Council unanimously approved an action plan to relieve and further protect our members from unnecessary and burdensome regulations. This plan addresses the recently announced interim rule requiring federal registration of all model aircraft and unmanned aircraft systems (UAS) weighing between 0.55 and 55 pounds.
AMA has long used a similar registration system with our members, which we pointed out during the task force deliberations and in private conversations with the FAA. As you are aware, AMA's safety program instructs all members to place his or her AMA number or name and address on or within their model aircraft, effectively accomplishing the safety and accountability objectives of the interim rule. AMA has also argued that the new registration rule runs counter to Congress' intent in Section 336 of the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012, otherwise known as the "Special Rule for Model Aircraft."
The Council is considering all legal and political remedies to address this issue. We believe that resolution to the unnecessary federal registration rule for our members rests with AMA's petition before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. This petition, filed in August 2014, asks the court to review the FAA's interpretation of the "Special Rule for Model Aircraft." The central issue is whether the FAA has the authority to expand the definition of aircraft to include model aircraft; thus, allowing the agency to establish new standards and operating criteria to which model aircraft operators have never been subject to in the past.
In promulgating its interim rule for registration earlier this week, the FAA repeatedly stated that model aircraft are aircraft, despite the fact that litigation is pending on this very question. The Council believes the FAA's reliance on its interpretation of Section 336 for legal authority to compel our members to register warrants the Court's immediate attention to AMA's petition.
While we continue to believe that registration makes sense at some threshold and for flyers operating outside of a community-based organization or flying for commercial purposes, we also strongly believe our members are not the problem and should not have to bear the burden of additional regulations. Safety has been the cornerstone of our organization for 80 years and AMA's members strive to be a part of the solution.
As we proceed with this process, we suggest AMA members hold off on registering their model aircraft with the FAA until advised by the AMA or until February 19, the FAA's legal deadline for registering existing model aircraft.
Holding off on registration will allow AMA time to fully consider all possible options. On a parallel track, it also allows AMA to complete ongoing conversations with the FAA about how best to streamline the registration process for our members.
In the near future, we will also be asking our members to make their voices heard by submitting comments to the FAA's interim rule on registration. We will follow-up soon with more detailed information on how to do this.
Thank you for your continued support of AMA. We will provide you with more updates as they become available.
Kind regards,
The AMA Executive Council
Bob Brown, AMA President
Gary Fitch, AMA Executive Vice President
Andy Argenio, AMA Vice President, District I
Eric Williams, AMA Vice President, District II
Mark Radcliff, AMA Vice President, District III
Jay Marsh, AMA Vice President, District IV
Kris Dixon, AMA Vice President, District V
Randy Cameron, AMA Vice President, District VI
Tim Jesky, AMA Vice President, District VII
Mark Johnston, AMA Vice President, District VIII
Jim Tiller, AMA Vice President, District IX
Lawrence Tougas, AMA Vice President, District X
Chuck Bower, AMA Vice President, District XI
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ringolong
Well-Known Member
Alex (IBCrazy) Addressed the FAA in this video.
https://www.change.org/p/federal-avi...t-registration
https://www.change.org/p/federal-avi...t-registration
Wish I could like that 100 times hahaha.
~5k views on the video. I hope it is seen by a lot more people. This really isn't even an issue about our hobby but an issue of freedom and the government overstepping their authority.
Good find. Page 7:
Sounds like a 4th amendment issue. If you're not reasonably suspected of committing a crime, I don't see why the police should have the right to harass you.
Michael Fenimore
Well-Known Member
I saw that a few days ago. I like that he brought up the 8th Amendment.
It's one most people don't know or remember.
The excessive fines they plan on imposing is ridiculous. And could be construed as breaking the 8th Amendment.
ringolong
Well-Known Member
Member Communication
The AMA has recommended that our members hold off on registering their model aircraft with the FAA until advised by the AMA or until the FAA's legal deadline of February 19. Holding off on registration will allow time for AMA to fully consider all possible legal and political options for alleviating this unnecessary regulatory burden on our members.
In the meantime, you can help by making your voice heard with the FAA. Specifically we are asking all AMA members to submit comments on the FAA's interim rule on registration. The deadline to submit comments is January 15, 2016. All comments can be submitted at http://1.usa.gov/1Jegj0C.
Below are recommended messages to convey in your comments:
- Express your disappointment with the registration rule. As a member of the Academy of Model Aeronautics (AMA), I am disappointed with the new rule for UAS registration. I am a long time model aircraft flyer, who has operated under the guidance of the largest community-based organization (CBO) in the world for many years.
- Highlight AMA's history and safety record. Since 1936, AMA has published safety standards and offered training programs for our members - more than 20 years before the FAA was created. Our National Model Aircraft Safety Code has been recognized by Congress as well as by state legislatures as a safe and effective means of managing model aircraft enthusiasts like me
. - Note that you already register with AMA. Additionally, AMA's safety program already instructs me to place my AMA number or name and address on or within my model aircraft(s), effectively accomplishing the safety and accountability objectives of the interim rule.
- Make it clear this rule is contrary to the intent of Congress. The new rule is contrary to the intent of Congress in Section 336 of the 2012 FAA Modernization and Reform Act. Section 336, also referred to as the "Special Rule for Model Aircraft," clearly prohibits the FAA from promulgating any new rules for recreational users operating within the safety guidelines of a CBO. In addition, the FAA's contention that model aircraft should be considered aircraft is currently the subject of pending litigation.
- Affirm that as an AMA member you should be exempt from federal registration. The registration process is an unnecessary burden for me and the more than 185,000 other AMA members. AMA members should not be required to register with the FAA.
Thank you,
AMA Government and Regulatory Affairs Team
amagov@modeliarcraft.org
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I got this while I was on the road, so I only skimmed it. Good idea. The only thing I don't like about these is that they give you a script so most people will send that script and it really dilutes the message. And I'd have to assume if you actually sent something meaningful in your own words, it wouldn't even get read.
I'm sure if enough people were angered by it they would.
Also Russia quickly passed something that will almost kill hobby use.
Michael Fenimore
Well-Known Member
If we as a nation and citizens engrossed by the hobby don't voice our resentment and dissatisfaction of these new rulings, we will be no better off than that post from Russia.
Give a politician an inch and he'll steal your life.
Give a politician an inch and he'll steal your life.