Newb Looking for advice on affordable micro/mini RTF
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Skybird
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I will, so is LightTake as good as GearBest or BangGood? I just found the FY326 for like $26 on GearBest, but the controller, let's just well it's pretty basic, and I don't see how I could put the FPV monitor on it, I would have to get another controller I guess, did you say that one has 8.5 motor? If I go with the FY326, I could put what I save towards extra batteries and ordering spare parts in the same order.
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Mike H.
Toy Quad Builder
I can show you where to get the FY326 for $16.00 if you didnt mind waiting longer to get it..Actually you can buy an X5C-1 bind and fly with no camera for $18.00..Buy the transmitter for another $12.50 ...so, instead of paying for a crappy camera with the complete rtf kit, use the 20 dollars you saved to buy the fpv kit for $52.00 which means you really get the fpv kit for $32.00...and yes..the fy326 uses 8.5mm motors.
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Mike H.
Toy Quad Builder
Banggood has a usa warehouse but prices can be a bit higher..i got my hubsan X4 in 6 days from them....gearbest is iffy at best..im still waiting for a Bayang X9 from them and i ordered it on the 10th of this month.
Light take, ive never purchased anything from so, i cant say.
Light take, ive never purchased anything from so, i cant say.
HDtallrider
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From amazon;
http://www.amazon.com/SeresRoad-Qua...qid=1446034391&sr=8-1&keywords=jjrc+h5c+drone
Cheaper than what you found after shipping. Be very cautious with the Chinese right now. They are getting a bit desperate and horror stories abound. Hobby King' Gearbest and Banggood are still pretty dependable so far and have US warehouses.
http://www.amazon.com/SeresRoad-Qua...qid=1446034391&sr=8-1&keywords=jjrc+h5c+drone
Cheaper than what you found after shipping. Be very cautious with the Chinese right now. They are getting a bit desperate and horror stories abound. Hobby King' Gearbest and Banggood are still pretty dependable so far and have US warehouses.
Mike H.
Toy Quad Builder
My favorite place so far cost wise has been DealsMachine...The JJRC1000 and x6 transmitter i ordered actually shipped from NewYork...Honestly i was expecting it to come from china..Apparently they are a sister company to one of the bigger 3 china outlets and have ties in the USA on some of the items....It did take 2 weeks despite it coming from NY but overall i was surprised...Prices from this place are unreal on selected items...I have 5 or 6 RTF quads on my wish list all for $20.00 or less.
I cant guarantee if you order it will come from the USA but, for those prices im in no hurry really.
I cant guarantee if you order it will come from the USA but, for those prices im in no hurry really.
HDtallrider
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Good to know. I need to get to work on some of my partially finished builds. The X5c1 is so much fun to practice with that I'm neglecting my "real" quads.
Mike H.
Toy Quad Builder
Good to know. I need to get to work on some of my partially finished builds. The X5c1 is so much fun to practice with that I'm neglecting my "real" quads.
I hope you decide to try that jjrc board in the x5 with the x6 controller..I think at that point you will be hooked on toy quads for sure...hahahaha...
im not sorry either.Hook us up with some pics..id like to see how you mounted the spektrum FPV to it.
Mike H.
Toy Quad Builder
Or keep the syma stock and as is and get the FY326 to put the jjrc board in...Buy another BNF for $12.49 at deals machine..Use the board in the fy326 and you also get spare motors and props and body for your first jjrc.
Did you get the jjrc 1000 and radio yet?..im awaiting your review of this one.
Did you get the jjrc 1000 and radio yet?..im awaiting your review of this one.
Mike H.
Toy Quad Builder
FY326 http://www.dealsmachine.com/best_249602.html
Your X6 radio will fly this.
http://www.dealsmachine.com/best_260552.html
A great parts buy or replacement for the x5c-1 (no camera/radio)http://www.dealsmachine.com/best_234871.html
Prices
Your X6 radio will fly this.
http://www.dealsmachine.com/best_260552.html
A great parts buy or replacement for the x5c-1 (no camera/radio)http://www.dealsmachine.com/best_234871.html
Prices
HDtallrider
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haha! I'm being overwhelmed with info! I haven't received the quad and radio yet. I plan on keeping the X5 stock except for mounting the Spektrum FPV and leaving off the Syma camera. I have an iphone that I use for pictures and an old MS computer that won't accept iPhone video. I plan on getting a apple notebook after the first of the year. Maybe then I'll post some pictures. Right now the only pictures on my phone I have are of my bike and my grandkids.( notice the order there ).
Does dealsmachine ship free?
Does dealsmachine ship free?
Skybird
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Ok Mike, so there really is no difference between the H5C CF and the FY326 other than price since they both use 8.5 motors, will the Syma X5C-1 transmitter work with it are they on the same protocol? quadcopter101 says not as as far the X5C transmitter but the X5C-1 is a different transmitter. There is a deal on ecrap for $15.19 free shipping from California, there is also a seller in Cali selling the YF326 with the stock controller for $29 free shipping. I always seem to come up with alternates last night I started taking an interest in the JJRC H5P, that has a 1100 MAH and has a reported 14 mins flight time with the cam, quadcopter 101 calls it "The Long Flier"
and the HC12, they Hc12 is actually smaller than the X5C-1 or the H5C. It has a 5mp cam and the pictures more than the video are pretty nice. The flight time is really short though like 6 mins without cam. I saw SeBeDockey analysis and and the worse he said was just put some bearings in it.
As far as the H5P, I saw a review by RCSaylors and the only thing was they could not figure out how to change the rates on the controller, so the whole review was on 1 rate, but boy can that one move, and boy did they give it a beating! I don't think it will work with the FPV cam though, I might be wrong though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-6snONahRA
Edit Mike I just saw what you said to Sophia about the H5P, I stumbled on it when I googled H5P Motors and I didn't come up with any replacements. I was already thinking those motors must burn out fast, do you know if they are 7 or 8 mm? Also Tigger suggests in his review, to insure you don't burn them out so fast to use 5 or 600 batteries, less duration, but less burn out. This one seems like it just came out, any idea till we see replacement motors? Could the motors be the same as it's predecessor the H5C those were 7mm, I believe. Actually according to one guy on rcgroups, it's also the battery that needs to cool down, but he said he used goo batteries, I guess cheepos. SeByDock hasn't dissected it, yet. It's funny quadcopter101 said I'm not going to take it apart, SeBy will probably do that, lol
this is part 3, but it's the best part the test flight. In the unboxing he says it's swappable with the FY326 and has the same motors?
So here's my thinking I could get a bird that is just as easy to learn on but has a nicer cam, granted it can't do FPV, I don't think the transmitter it has can hold the FPV screen setup I might be wrong. I thought you might find this interesting, although I don't think I would want to FPV without being able to move with the controller so I can follow the quad.
While I really like the idea of FPV on 5mp cam, I don't mind swapping between 5mp and 2mp for FPV, then again a quad that works as nice as the H5P, would be worth sacrificing it I guess, getting back to FPV 2 things, first I read somewhere, can't remember where that you really don't need FPV if your only flying 30 meters away and you really do need a wide field of view, so is it absolutely necessary to have a wide lense on the cam, could a wide lense be put on the Syma cam, I think SeBeDocky said it was too small? Second, I was just reading a thread on rcgroups http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2373559 I was checking to see if the protocols are the same for both the X5c-1 and FY326 and this comment caught my attention.
"I did a little more Googling "FY326 parts" and came up with this...
http://www.duoduogood.com/search?con...submit_search=
Shows motors, props, receiver, gears AND a camera. This raises some suspicion as I thought the PCB was not populated with a connection for that. Also, none of the parts are described in any detail so it doesn't help us in building a cross reference for parts."
Is he saying that there is no connection on the PCB for a cam? I think he is saying based on the link that even though the FY326 ships with no cam, there is a cam for it, but doesn't seem to have a place to connect it? I get that the Syma FPV cam has it's own battery but doesn't it need to connect to the PCB to be able trigger the cam from the controller? Am I missing something? My goodness it's been over a week now and look at all the information I have gathered from you and others alike, there sure is a lot to consider, and it can like you said become overwhelming. One more thing, today I saw a video by Copter Hubsan
step by step guide converting HC5 to FPV using H107D parts, I get why one would want to do this, since there are no 5mp toy quads that I found, but it still uses the on board power unlike the FPV kit cam, and it's not so cost effective, unless you have an extra X4 107D lying around you don't mind gutting, the instructions are not for the timid either, especially those of us who don't trust soldering irons lol One other question I was wondering, if you climb vertically up to say about 20-30 meters, how hard is it to stay stable in a relatively low or no wind day?
Thanks guys.
and the HC12, they Hc12 is actually smaller than the X5C-1 or the H5C. It has a 5mp cam and the pictures more than the video are pretty nice. The flight time is really short though like 6 mins without cam. I saw SeBeDockey analysis and and the worse he said was just put some bearings in it.
As far as the H5P, I saw a review by RCSaylors and the only thing was they could not figure out how to change the rates on the controller, so the whole review was on 1 rate, but boy can that one move, and boy did they give it a beating! I don't think it will work with the FPV cam though, I might be wrong though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-6snONahRA
Edit Mike I just saw what you said to Sophia about the H5P, I stumbled on it when I googled H5P Motors and I didn't come up with any replacements. I was already thinking those motors must burn out fast, do you know if they are 7 or 8 mm? Also Tigger suggests in his review, to insure you don't burn them out so fast to use 5 or 600 batteries, less duration, but less burn out. This one seems like it just came out, any idea till we see replacement motors? Could the motors be the same as it's predecessor the H5C those were 7mm, I believe. Actually according to one guy on rcgroups, it's also the battery that needs to cool down, but he said he used goo batteries, I guess cheepos. SeByDock hasn't dissected it, yet. It's funny quadcopter101 said I'm not going to take it apart, SeBy will probably do that, lol
this is part 3, but it's the best part the test flight. In the unboxing he says it's swappable with the FY326 and has the same motors?
So here's my thinking I could get a bird that is just as easy to learn on but has a nicer cam, granted it can't do FPV, I don't think the transmitter it has can hold the FPV screen setup I might be wrong. I thought you might find this interesting, although I don't think I would want to FPV without being able to move with the controller so I can follow the quad.
While I really like the idea of FPV on 5mp cam, I don't mind swapping between 5mp and 2mp for FPV, then again a quad that works as nice as the H5P, would be worth sacrificing it I guess, getting back to FPV 2 things, first I read somewhere, can't remember where that you really don't need FPV if your only flying 30 meters away and you really do need a wide field of view, so is it absolutely necessary to have a wide lense on the cam, could a wide lense be put on the Syma cam, I think SeBeDocky said it was too small? Second, I was just reading a thread on rcgroups http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2373559 I was checking to see if the protocols are the same for both the X5c-1 and FY326 and this comment caught my attention.
"I did a little more Googling "FY326 parts" and came up with this...
http://www.duoduogood.com/search?con...submit_search=
Shows motors, props, receiver, gears AND a camera. This raises some suspicion as I thought the PCB was not populated with a connection for that. Also, none of the parts are described in any detail so it doesn't help us in building a cross reference for parts."
Is he saying that there is no connection on the PCB for a cam? I think he is saying based on the link that even though the FY326 ships with no cam, there is a cam for it, but doesn't seem to have a place to connect it? I get that the Syma FPV cam has it's own battery but doesn't it need to connect to the PCB to be able trigger the cam from the controller? Am I missing something? My goodness it's been over a week now and look at all the information I have gathered from you and others alike, there sure is a lot to consider, and it can like you said become overwhelming. One more thing, today I saw a video by Copter Hubsan
step by step guide converting HC5 to FPV using H107D parts, I get why one would want to do this, since there are no 5mp toy quads that I found, but it still uses the on board power unlike the FPV kit cam, and it's not so cost effective, unless you have an extra X4 107D lying around you don't mind gutting, the instructions are not for the timid either, especially those of us who don't trust soldering irons lol One other question I was wondering, if you climb vertically up to say about 20-30 meters, how hard is it to stay stable in a relatively low or no wind day?
Thanks guys.
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Skybird
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I just discovered that the FPV kit is $50.99 on bang good from a U.S. warehouse! I thought I would have to wait for that slow boat lol.
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Mike H.
Toy Quad Builder
Im not really sure what protocol the fy326 is on but, its known to be alot more aggressive than the syma x5 in general as far as flight is concerned...Its much more of a sporty flyer which can be difficult for someone new...The fy326 and x5c are not parts interchangeable....you could maybe swap out flight boards and transmitters but thats about it...Some "adapt" the larger motor holders and motors to the syma but the flight board and radio wont really take advantage of this.
I havent seen the fy326 with a cam so, i dont know if it is available with one or not...If it is then you can hook up an FPV to it providing the plug is the same or using the proper plug type on the fpv hook up wire to install it....its the same as the camera plug in...its one simple plug connected into the board and its done if we are talking a toy FPV system to adapt to it..A 5mp might possibly be heavier so keep that in mind...The x5c-1 is already at maximum payload with the smaller camera...the H5C CF or fy326 (if applicable) may handle that a bit better.
The H12C uses the same protocol as the JJRC1000 and tarantula x6 as well as the jjrc h8c and a host of WL toys products...this is a V2x2 protocol which is really flysky protocol.
I personally like the H12C..its sleek looking like the DM007 and i could use my cheap radio to fly one with along side other models...Let reviews speak for themselves by the better well know reviewers.
Wide lens is better if you are in fpv mode rather its short or long distance....you are looking at the monitor to be your eyes and the wide lens gives a wider view in general which can help with not clipping a tree branch or things you cant see in "blind spots" from using a narrow lens...typically the toy cameras are around 80 degrees of view...pretty narrow really...What you see on the monitor is also what the youll see when you playback your video..Ive heard of some attaching the wide angle lens of the 808 camera to the stock x5c camera but not sure of what other lenses would work with it.
Quadcopter 101 is correct about the x5c and x5c-1 having different protocols...i think i mentioned that somewhere on here and how they are playing musical protocol with the models...The transmitter that works with the X5C-1 is the X5C-14 model transmitter.
The JJRC H5C and the H5C CF are not near the same models...the h5c has 7mm motors like the x5c and x5c1 but does have a better flight board and range...The CF means headless mode and of course the addition of larger motors with programming to take advantage of them.
Im not certain of the differences in flight performance between the 326 and CF side by side..All i know is both the H5C CF and the FY326 are more powerful and more aggressive flyers...Even the regular H5C is more aggressive than the X5C/X5C-1 from a better radio and programming.
To start out with and learn to fly on, the X5C1 is still my recommendation and this wont change no matter how many models we compare it to for better or for worse...Again, learn to fly first, then worry about upgrades and features...I recommended the H5C CF as well as i know JJRC also has fpv options that are considered better quality than what syma is offering and, of course its much stronger motors and better flight characteristics...in a low rate ,it should be easy to fly as well and offer more when you're ready to turn things up a bit in higher rates....This is both sides of the spectrum here for that style of model.
The fy326 can be a good choice if you dont care about factory fpv options or want to add a small nano fpv stand alone system as an option...there are probably 10 more models in the same category as the x5c as far as that design is concerned.
You have the GP Toys Aviax..this model can float on water and is fully waterproof...you have the Lihshi 6053 and the cheerson cx30 and WL toys has a model and a bunch more i cant recall the names or models of... Of all those out there the 2 most popular are from SYMA and JJRC for popularity ,price, parts availability,ease of use, performance and,options....the rest either fall behind or fall in between somewhere of the two.
I havent seen the fy326 with a cam so, i dont know if it is available with one or not...If it is then you can hook up an FPV to it providing the plug is the same or using the proper plug type on the fpv hook up wire to install it....its the same as the camera plug in...its one simple plug connected into the board and its done if we are talking a toy FPV system to adapt to it..A 5mp might possibly be heavier so keep that in mind...The x5c-1 is already at maximum payload with the smaller camera...the H5C CF or fy326 (if applicable) may handle that a bit better.
The H12C uses the same protocol as the JJRC1000 and tarantula x6 as well as the jjrc h8c and a host of WL toys products...this is a V2x2 protocol which is really flysky protocol.
I personally like the H12C..its sleek looking like the DM007 and i could use my cheap radio to fly one with along side other models...Let reviews speak for themselves by the better well know reviewers.
Wide lens is better if you are in fpv mode rather its short or long distance....you are looking at the monitor to be your eyes and the wide lens gives a wider view in general which can help with not clipping a tree branch or things you cant see in "blind spots" from using a narrow lens...typically the toy cameras are around 80 degrees of view...pretty narrow really...What you see on the monitor is also what the youll see when you playback your video..Ive heard of some attaching the wide angle lens of the 808 camera to the stock x5c camera but not sure of what other lenses would work with it.
Quadcopter 101 is correct about the x5c and x5c-1 having different protocols...i think i mentioned that somewhere on here and how they are playing musical protocol with the models...The transmitter that works with the X5C-1 is the X5C-14 model transmitter.
The JJRC H5C and the H5C CF are not near the same models...the h5c has 7mm motors like the x5c and x5c1 but does have a better flight board and range...The CF means headless mode and of course the addition of larger motors with programming to take advantage of them.
Im not certain of the differences in flight performance between the 326 and CF side by side..All i know is both the H5C CF and the FY326 are more powerful and more aggressive flyers...Even the regular H5C is more aggressive than the X5C/X5C-1 from a better radio and programming.
To start out with and learn to fly on, the X5C1 is still my recommendation and this wont change no matter how many models we compare it to for better or for worse...Again, learn to fly first, then worry about upgrades and features...I recommended the H5C CF as well as i know JJRC also has fpv options that are considered better quality than what syma is offering and, of course its much stronger motors and better flight characteristics...in a low rate ,it should be easy to fly as well and offer more when you're ready to turn things up a bit in higher rates....This is both sides of the spectrum here for that style of model.
The fy326 can be a good choice if you dont care about factory fpv options or want to add a small nano fpv stand alone system as an option...there are probably 10 more models in the same category as the x5c as far as that design is concerned.
You have the GP Toys Aviax..this model can float on water and is fully waterproof...you have the Lihshi 6053 and the cheerson cx30 and WL toys has a model and a bunch more i cant recall the names or models of... Of all those out there the 2 most popular are from SYMA and JJRC for popularity ,price, parts availability,ease of use, performance and,options....the rest either fall behind or fall in between somewhere of the two.
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HDtallrider
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Maaan..... That is way to much to keep straight.Haha! Glad I'm into "real"quads.........
Mike H.
Toy Quad Builder
Oh go play with your xc5-1...you know its the only one that flys right now.Maaan..... That is way to much to keep straight.Haha! Glad I'm into "real"quads.........
Skybird
Well-Known Member
Yes very aggressive I saw this night flyer video qc101 did and wow! Of course the beginner won't be able to do that, but wow! Yes it's sporty that's for sure, so it's a clone but not interchangeable oh well.
Here is a short post and video on rcgroups with the FPV cam working, so I can only figure it can be done, just wouldn't fit the stock FY326 transmitter. qc101 said in his excellent review here, that the FPV kit could work on other birds as well, but didn't elaborate, I'm going to post and see if he has an idea. Do you know if the FPV cam, can take photos as well as video and record to the on board SD Card?
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2487607
Update he answered my post and this is what he had to say
"As it has its own built-in battery and is constantly transmitting, its FPV will work with most other quads, but its recording ability may not as it is dependent on the pinout of the control plug.
It is definitely no X5c-1 or H5C it's in a class of it's own, the only thing is it has a very short flight time, is there a way to increase that, and so far I have not found anyone who has done an a video with the FPV kit, that doesn't mean it can't be done though, I wonder, I haven't watched qc101 review on it yet, but I think I will ask him if he knows. Here is a video that show it losing transmitter signal at close range, I imagine that is that caused by nearby Wifi, low batteries etc.
I am familiar with that 808 D lense I saw a video last week on how to attach it, I just found somewhere can't remember where that lense will work on the FPV cam, as I recall you need to focus the cam first, with FPV put the lense on focus, and then put a tiny bit of glue to ensure it doesn't lose focus, I will have to see if can dig that up. Ok here is one and there other, do definitely doable.
Yes musical protocols is very frustrating, it would be great if they could just have one protocol or at least have, one transmitter like the Devo 7E and it could work with all models like in the old days, speaking of old school,I thought you might get a kick out of this. here is a pic of a Futaba transmitter someone gave me years ago, I'm selling on ecrap, I will be putting the money towards a Devo 7E
Well as they say bigger is better, my thought is you can grow with something like the H5C CF or FY326.
I understand it's kind of a trade off, it really does come down to what your individual likes and needs are I guess.
If I have to buy an X5C1, BNF or not I'm looking at around $40 or more, I would rather spend a little more and get something like the H12C with better video and photo quality, I appreciate your guidance and suggestions though. I have to take into consideration features, benefits, cost and where it's coming from, jeez, it sounds like I'm buying my first car, lol, in fact my wife was saying to me the other day, I haven't seen you so engrossed in a decision like this since we bought our last vehicle!
So many toy quads so little time, I like a quad that can float since I'm near the beach and a huge lake, but like the Mariner, I'm sure it's going to set me back a few bucks, then again I just looked and the Aviax go for as little as 30 bucks on deal machine but sold out U.S. Well for now at least I know that SYMA AND JJRC are the most reliable and have the most parts available and speaking of parts, I asked qc101 about motors for the H5P, which I'm considering as a second quad and he said
"I haven't popped mine open to measure the diameter. But all of these toy grade quadcopters more or less use generic motors that you can easily find on aliexpress or ebay. Just use the search terms quadcopter motor Xmm (where X is the diameter of your quadcopter's motor). And here are my thoughts on the durability of this quadcopter with its extended flight time" he refers to this video he did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGm45rm-DZ0
My concern would be other parts like gears as well, I'm sure as time goes by these will become more available. For other newbies who might see this thread I should mention as Tigger said in his review, at that time the prop guards fit way too tight to be used, I hope JJRC has fixed that since the pre released model.
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