New here, Midlands UK

[joe_watkiss]

Hi all,
Lock down forced me to find a hobby I could do indoors! And I've always wanted to get back into RC flying, drones interested me the most.
I used to fly IC planes, stopping on the advent of 2.4ghz tech and usable electric systems.
So far I've built an F450 flamewheel with gimbal, a 250 quad from a random selection of parts and just put together a Tyro 109. The hardest part to get used to for me is the FPV as I guess I'm naturally used to LOS.

Using the new radiomaster Tx16s, I can't believe how much TX systems have advanced!

I currently only have one issue, surrounding something to do with the accelerometer on the tyro I think. Currently teaching myself in horizon mode and occasional using acro. In horizon, flips and loops are executed absolutely fine, nice and stable on the exit etc.
However, after a fast roll, the quad will drift in the direction of the roll for about 5 seconds and then recover, required about 50 percent stick movement to correct to begin with, almost as if the accelerometer isn't quite keeping up. In one extreme case the tyro smashed into the ground after a massive spin in the direction of the executed roll, spinning more quickly than I have my rates set certainly. The controller in the tyro is a matekf405 target but I think its a customised board.
I'm sure it may be a simple answer and apologies if the question has been asked before. Flight controllers are very new to me still!

Hope you are all well!
Cheers
Joe

 

[holtneil]

Hi welcome to the forum ,sorry I can't help with the FCB , FPV can take some getting used to a wider angle camera can some times helps , there are a lot of sims out there that do FPV so you can practice more indoors

 

[wafflejock]

Hi Joe,

Welcome to the forum!

Couple of tips from someone who also transitioned from a fair amount of line of sight flying to fpv, get a simulator or three. There are at least demos of a lot of sims, fpv freerider (on mobile too), velocidrone, lift off, drl, etc. Your controller will work as input for the sims, you might have to mess with drivers or switch drivers if using Windows so it uses the device as a usb input but otherwise it should work fine. Great to get used to your gimbals and can crash a billion times with no cost. It helps a ton to get used to the stick motions to pitch back to save yourself or slow yourself down and just learning tricks eventually.

Stop using horizon mode immediately. Learn to fly acro and use angle mode as a fall back if you have to line of sight land or otherwise recover if you lose fpv feed for some reason (not usually a problem you see it get fuzzy and know to turn back).

Horizon will make you worse at acro and acro will give you the most control. Horizon mode can be fun for doing a few line of sight flips or rolls but doesn't teach you to pay attention to stick deflection or how far you are moving away from center to get a given rotation speed.

Flying acro is a bit like mastering moves in a game you need to get the sequence and timing down and then can eventually do the motion (say a split-s or a power loop) without really thinking about it. Flying race tracks or trying to fly through gates at least is also great general practice for getting more comfortable (like just cruising on a skateboard makes you better overall when doing tricks etc. or just precision flying).

 

[joe_watkiss]

Thanks for the informative replies, been thinking that horizon may get me into some bad habits..
I'm using velocidrone, and to be honest can fly relatively well in acro mode, well enough to not crash repetitively unless I try to do something silly..
I think what's holding me back more with FPV in real life is the price tag attached to what I'm flying, which you dont have with the simulation

I suppose acro will eliminate the accelerometer issue, too..

Cheers guys, will attempt to overcome my reservations about crashing my shiny toy into a tree..

Joe

 

[wafflejock]

Indeed regarding the trees at first just avoid them but also can use a painters pole from hardware store to poke anything up to 30ft up. Above that you'll need to have turtle mode enabled on a switch and learn to use it, basically disarm quad go into turtle or crash over flip mode and then arm again and use right stick to flip over or shake yourself free. Make sure the minimum arm angle in the configuration tab is set to 180 too so don't get stopped from arming if stuck upside down.

Breaking things and fixing is a part of this hobby but yah an entirely lost quad is unacceptable in my opinion too .

Other good techniques using a sling shot or other sling device to get a rope with weighted thing hooked onto tree branches to shake your quad free.

 

[joe_watkiss]

Thanks, I have turtle mode configured, and it's set up for props out, although I am wary of burning out components this way..

Just got through three packs and one prop in acro mode, it was low level in my garden (less than 15 feet, trees and ferns to avoid)

Luckily hobbyking has 5030 two bladed props for 0.01 per pack of two, so I have tons to practice with before flying with the more expensive 3 bladed props. Although the one I broke today was a four bladed that came with the tyro..

So not too bad. A few hard landings though..

Cheers

 

[wafflejock]

Yup hear yah on the toasting components it does suck but replacing an esc or a motor isn't too bad (4 in 1 ESC makes fixing more painful usually unless you can find exact swap out). Still turtle mode comes in super clutch when you have no other options.

 

[joe_watkiss]

So been flying rate only, I was struggling because I was struggling with fpv, and rate + LOS doesn't work for me!
Here is a quick video of my progress

Tyro109 on 3s with azure props, filmed on my insta360-go.

Getting there, still twitchy, maybe I need to flatten my rates out a little more and bump my roll super rate up a notch as I'm stopping short of the full roll every time.

No PID tuning done at all, and I need to work on my camera mounting to get rid of a tiny bit of jello

I didn't crash this time though!

Cheers
Joe