Phantom 2 with Gopro Gimble and mount or 450/550 build

I know there are tons of pointers for how to build and which directions to go but presently I am trying to decide the difference in cost comparison for a unit like the Phantom 2 or Vision + Quadcopter

or

Building something of my own with similar features and capabilities such as:
RTH Autopilot Hover and Increase Control
FPV (monitor is fine for now)

Can a F450/550 (frame) setup comparable to the Phantom?
Would building be more cost effective?

The other dilemma is the Tx/Rx situation if I do a build ... which would suffice (keeping the budget in mind for overall project.

Please give some guidance
 
Also .. what about waterproofing or making the Quad water resistant similar to the DSLR pros model? Any ideas?
thanks for the help
 
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You're definitely going to be able to build for cheaper and still get similar features - in fact, you can buy the DJI Naza boards (M or M-Lite) and get the same exact RTH and assisted flight modes. Where you'll run into an issue is with the risks associated with building your own. Mistakes can be costly. You run the risk of having to buy components multiple times because you could wire something wrong and burn up your ESC's or something. You also might have other unforeseen issues that cause you to crash in your first flight and then you'd need to buy new parts and rebuild. I guess I'll list some pros and cons, and hopefully some others can add to it, and that should hopefully help you make a decision.

Before I list those, let me answer your tx/rx question. What you bu there is really a matter of price vs. quality for the most part. You can get by with a lower priced tx/rx, but you may want to invest in something nicer like a Spektrum setup. I've run into issues with the Turnigy 9x when it comes to firmware and the quality of the gimbals that ended up costing me way more than a better transmitter. First of all, there was an issue that caused it to send at least half throttle to the rx when the tx turned on. This shot my copter into the ceiling of my house and cost me the following: over $100 in replacement parts (frame, motors, wiring, etc.); around $50 and half a day in paint and supplies to repair the ceiling, $30 for a smarty parts board to change the firmware out on the tx to er9x.... then I went ahead and got a frsky tx module and rx - which cost another $50 or so. In the end, the gimbals on the tx wore out very quickly and they don't (or didn't at the time) sell replacement gimbals for the 9x (only the 9xr) - so really, if I had bought a Spektrum 6 or 8 channel for $150-200, I would have been in better shape. Or if you go cheap, get the 9xr since they sell replacement gimbals for it - and get a frsky module and receiver. It's a little more than the 9x setup they sell, but you'll be in better shape. By the way, I've never had a problem with a Spektrum tx. Also, used Spektrum equipment has decent resale value.

Now - the pros and cons:

Phantom:

Pros
- ready to fly as soon as it hits your door step
- already tuned so you can start flying with confidence without worrying about "anything you might have done wrong" in the build
- big community of other phantom pilots, so tons of information if you need support
- tons of R&D behind the phantom, so great flight times, control, etc. etc.
- a decent amount of aftermarket development for modifications for the phantom
- if it's not for you, it's much easier to resell than a custom quad.

Cons
*depending on the context, these might not be cons.

- Cost - it's a great value, but if you're looking to stay on a tight budget and add and upgrade compontents (FPV, etc.) as you go, you may want to build yourself.
- Repairs - there is a huge community of people with phantoms as well as replacement parts available, but if you crash, you might not be confident with doing repairs yourself.

DIY:

Pros
- More flexible - you get to choose exactly what you build, whether it be a stable aerial filming platform or an acrobatic copter, etc.
- More rewarding - it's a lot more rewarding to build yourself and I'd say it makes it more addicting since you can build anything you imagine. Also, it probably makes you feel more a part of a community since it's so much more involved than just unboxing and flying a phantom.
- Easier Repairs - If you build a copter from scratch, you pretty much get enough expertise in every component to be able to quickly repair anything you may break in a crash or that burns up for one reason or another.
- Potentially less expensive - really, when you build yourself, the cost is up to you.
- Potentially Less Risk - so above, I said there is more risk, and that's true, but there is one area where the risk is less if you think about it this way: logically, you shouldn't add any FPV to start. You should build your copter and get used to flying it, tune it, etc. before you put expensive FPV equipment on it. So really, for less than half the price of the phantom, you can get a copter in the air to see if it's even for you - and also, if you crash, less money is falling out of the sky. I'll explain the more risk thing in the cons.

Cons
- Not as easy to get help - There are unlimited combinations of parts you can build with, so sometimes it's hard to find help on your exact issue when you have problems. Don't let this scare you though. Most components are very similar in the way they operate, so if you have an issue, you'll usually be able to find help that leads you to a resolution, but you'll need to understand enough to know what to ask about. If you have an issue with a phantom, you'll just say - hey, I'm having this issue with the phantom vision 2, or whatever and people know the setup. If you have issues with your own build, you'll have to list out the parts you're using and unless someone built the exact same copter, there might be more "recommendations" as opposed to exact resolutions. Although, you're usually going to have tx/rx and/or control board problems - so if you get a semi-popular tx/rx combo or control board, people can usually help.
- More Risk: So where there's more risk is in the fact that YOU might make mistakes and it could cost you. You could have a reverse polarity issue and blow up your ESC's, or you could not configure your tx/rx and/or board correctly and have your copter drop from the sky. In the end, these mistakes can really cost you. With the phantom, you're not going to have these issues. Although, again, I wouldn't let this scare you - it's way more of an adventure to build yourself, so if that's your thing, it's worth it.


Sorry if this is somewhat disorganized or if I said anything that doesn't make sense. I didn't proof read it.
 
Also .. what about waterproofing or making the Quad water resistant similar to the DSLR pros model? Any ideas?
thanks for the help

Waterproofing is a whole different story. Maybe soon, there will be some good cheap waterproof frames, but right now, they're very expensive.

*and when I say waterproof frames, they are frames that enclose all of the electrical components.
 
Thank you for your advice and all of the insight.
It is awesome that you take the time to help those of us who are bright eyed and wanting to take to the skys ... likes kids ... and then we realize ..
oh crap... I need to learn a whole lot ... for some its easier than other .

Any and all help welcomed and appreciated

Just from reading your msg ... I really think that the build is the way to go... I will try to stick to common arrangements or setups as much as possible ... the Naza and GPS modules seems pretty straightforward enough.
I agree ... better to have 650 falling from the sky than $1050 or whatever ... I will look into some common setups and continue my Education.
 
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No problem! You're definitely on the right track. When most people start out, they just follow someone else's proven build. That way they don't have to worry about calculating exactly what components to buy to get enough lift to fly the copter comfortably, etc.

Also, the Naza & GPS is straight forward. Once you get your receiver connected to the pins on the board and get your ESC's connected, the software will pretty much walk you through the setup. The KK board is quite a bit more of a manual process, but even it has a ton of documentation. It doesn't have all the features though - but it's cheap.
 
Going with a F450 or F500 frame.
1. Should I just buy the kit with the motors? Or can I get that part of the setup cheaper buy selecting motors, props and ESC Separately?

2. Which one will give me the most flying time based on typical battery setup with these motors? Aprx how much?

3. Naza M V2 + GPS and WOOKONG-M ... which is better for a beginner for control and possibilities for future use?
(On screen display prices are about the same for each of the above?)

4. How do I determine the Efficiency - Battery wise and the power consumption for chosing Motors?

5. How do i make this part happen?
I will be mounting a Gopro hero cam and want to watch (FPV style on android or tablet)
 
If you don't have a quad now, just buy a Phantom and enjoy it!
You can build one later when your requirements are better defined, after having flown something you can be in the air with a couple of days from now.
Unless you're really anxious to build, and flying at all this summer isn't critical.
If you can't resist building, try to find parts lists others have used -- motors, props, ESCs etc. rather than guess and WATCH THE CONNECTORS to make sure they're the same for everything that needs to plug into each other. I bought a QuadLugs frame, but the HK Alien 550 looks really good too. You may also find an "almost ready to fly" you can add to.
You can get an LCD screen setup for FPV for $30 now (HobbyKing) RCModelReviews just did a review on it. I wouldn't try to do FPV on an android because your FPV cam and transmitter are analog and you don't want to convert, or use WiFi for that even if you could. I have a Parrot! FPV on my Android is basically worthless. Goggles are better of course, but lots more $$$.
 
Oh my budget for this build is aprx $750.00

Cant seem to find a part list that can help me just yet on here
F550 frame or Kit or just the frame and the e300 propulsion kit (with motors and props) separately

What is the difference between the Naza M V2 with GPS and the Naza Lite with GPS ... in terms of control and stability and so forth????

What is a good starter TX and RX for the money (don't want to break the bank)
Any suggestions on where to get good deals from now?
 
Here's a link: http://www.dji.com/info/spotlight/whats-difference-of-naza-m-litenaza-m-v1naza-m-v2
I'd go with an APM board anyway! You don't want the magnetometer or GPS on the board in any case -- put them in an elevated "dome" for better performance and less interference.
You can get APM controllers in kit form with telemetry and GPS/mag on eBay or RCTimer (or others). A good starter radio is the Turnigy 9x. It's about $60 with module and receiver from HobbyKing. A preferred upgrade would be FrSky Turanis, but you're talking about 3x the cost with module and receiver.
HobbyKing is also selling the Quanum Nova (Cheerson CX-20 re-branded) quad for cheap. You can add what you want to it.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/...nt_QuadCopter_PNF_.html?strSearch=quanum nova
It's $269. And does all the fancy GPS and waypoint flight planning. Add the 9x (don't forget to buy servo leads!), and a battery, charger etc. and you're way under budget with money to Frankenstein it any way you want. Add an FPV trans/rec. (assuming you have an FPV-capable HD cam/recorder, ala GoPro or Astak) and even squeeze in a pair of the FatShark Base SD goggles inside your budget. And every part for the thing is readily available.
 
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