Thanks I'll go with those recommendations...do I need programed esc's I.E. "Simonxxx" or what is that about???Hi mate I would still go for the 2300kv and 4 to 5 inch props and poss 20amp esc , you can adjust the stick scaling to tame the quad ,but you still need the power for a good flight , KK2.1.5 with steveis1.8s1pro is nice and stable and its easy to set up flight mode 1 tame ,flight mode to a bit more speed then flight mode 3 to all out