UK to bring in Drone Registration
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mozquito1
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Fooking British broadcasting propaganda. I'm all for being safe. But why do we have to pay. The BBC take money for nothing so someone else is jumping in there bandwagon. If you want to fly inside 5 miles of an airport then yes you should probably register. That's where all these accidents happen. If I'm in a valley In Wales away from anyone. Then why.
Hi this was brought on by the w**kers that fly over the runways at puts planes at rick and the same w**kers are not going to register so only us that Obay the rules land up paying yet again , the biggest problem is there idea of a drone if you read the rules this also puts RC planes and helicopters in the mix too so its going to cost me loads as I have lots of Helicopters in the weight limit as well as multirotors
Chuck
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Because not everybody flying drones is inside a valley in Wales, and not everybody flying drones in valleys inside Wales are satisfied with flying them only there. The next question since this issue is inevitable, is will different nation's airspace regulatory agencies honor dtone registrations from other nations? IE: Since I'm already registered with the FAA in the US, will it be honored in Canada, the UK, Australia, and the EU?
LoneRCRanger
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The US FAA just had their registration rule repealed by the US Congress. Now they have to refund the fees paid by everyone who registered their R/C/ Aircraft under the dumb rule. A greater expense now (the fee and printing checks and mailing them) because some bureaucrat was thinking with something other than his brain.
Chuck
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That depends. As the drone registration in the US was written, it basically applied to the operator, not drones individually. I registered for $5.00US, received one registration number, and it is applicable to all drones that I fly. Whether I own one or one thousand, they are all covered by that same FAA registration number. If the UK and other governments adopt the same standard regardless of whatever price they set, your drones will be covered by a mass registration. In theory, the more you own, the cheaper it is for registration per drone. Five hundred drones for $5.00? That's one cent per drone. What else can you register so cheaply?
Chuck
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Since it's inevitable that somebody in Congress will come up with an amended law requiring drone registration and the FAA will rewrite the regs to come into compliance, they'll probably ask for a stay on the refunds, pending the new laws and regs. It's better to have one that covers the entire country, than fifty thousand townships, boroughs, cities, counties, and all fifty states, coming up with their own individual regulations that aren't in sync with each other as to what is and is not allowed.
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LoneRCRanger
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True, but remains to be seen as the power of the vote has, in recent times, put the squeeze on various Republican Congress people to not mess with the Affordable Care Act. What says that the Drone Lobby doesn't have a similar power on their side. Ah, I just love politics...
ArmyVet
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What he said!
These local yocals just drool over making regulations. Wait until the HOAs get on the band wagon.............ughhhh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeowner_association
Chuck
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As of right now, "the drone lobby" is nowhere near as big as the NRA, AFL-CIO, American Bar Association, American Medical Association, etc. And consists primarily of the larger drone manufacturers (DJI, and Yuneec being the "800 pound gorillas" in the room), who have already come out in favor of registration. And considering sales volumes, toy grade drone operators outnumber hobby grade operators by a wide margin (Very few shell out $400.00-plus for a drone for a 12 year old, who is liable to crash it, shrug, and walk away. $49.99 at Toys-R-Us, is easier to stomach). They aren't going to go to war over a five buck registration fee. It certainly wasn't an outrage to me, considering what a commercial drivers license cost's, PLUS the mandatory DOT physical exam.
mozquito1
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Forget it chuck don't quote me anymore. You're all one sided. If you read what I said. "if you fly within 5 miles then yes you must register." If caught without registering & doing stupid acts. Then throw em in the clink for mass endangering lives, whatever.
Just don't take money for no reason, because I'm out out the way minding my own business. It's absurd as having to have insurance for golf players because they more or less fire projectiles that are not 100% controlled.
The way I see it within 5 miles, = confiscated.
Airport area = jail
No ifs or butts that's the law. Unless you clean it they will find you anyway.
Your dabs will be all over it.
mozquito1
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They drive poop underground or charge for it. There is always ppl going to spoil the fun. The drone your likely to find stuck in an pratt & Witney 747 engine, ain't going to be in a fit state to read a registration number & the operator is not gonna stick about is he if an airliner goes down. If there was one on it at all on it.
Criminals own guns with numbers filed off. Drones are a lot easier to make than guns as long as the parts are sold.
yay
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civilisation isn't fun. civilisation is about keeping half of the people well spun so you can use them while you rape the other half of the people.
i live 70 miles from mexico near a massive sprawling repository for military aircraft and a major university and military industry, raytheon et al. having to register your fun is too weak an argument for me. folks in west papua are getting macheted and incinerated so freeport mcmoran can sell crap to imbeciles. that's worth time.
you know your dreams don't even belong to you. berkeley college put some weaksauce "pulling videos out of your thoughts" on youtube years ago, (somewhere on yt there's footage i remember from the early 1980's in the u.s., remote control neural implants in a bull, but, in recent decades, these things are "less publicised") and as chuck here eg. knows, what they're really got going is decades ahead of what the public knows about. enjoy your notion of freewill. and don't forget to wear your bicycle helmet.
you know, drones are real pretty. i like the flashing lights. don't you like the flashing lights also? if you don't, we have treatments that can help. then you can enjoy flashing lights, just as much as i do.
i live 70 miles from mexico near a massive sprawling repository for military aircraft and a major university and military industry, raytheon et al. having to register your fun is too weak an argument for me. folks in west papua are getting macheted and incinerated so freeport mcmoran can sell crap to imbeciles. that's worth time.
you know your dreams don't even belong to you. berkeley college put some weaksauce "pulling videos out of your thoughts" on youtube years ago, (somewhere on yt there's footage i remember from the early 1980's in the u.s., remote control neural implants in a bull, but, in recent decades, these things are "less publicised") and as chuck here eg. knows, what they're really got going is decades ahead of what the public knows about. enjoy your notion of freewill. and don't forget to wear your bicycle helmet.
you know, drones are real pretty. i like the flashing lights. don't you like the flashing lights also? if you don't, we have treatments that can help. then you can enjoy flashing lights, just as much as i do.
Chuck
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In a perfect world where everybody complied with every rule, regulation, ordinance, statute, etc, this would not be an issue. Unfortunately, this is not a perfect world (If it were, there would be no need for those same rules, regulations, etc, with authorities to enforce them, would there be?). After all, can you say with a straight face, that you have NEVER violated any rules, regulations, etc? Right down to never exceeding speed limits while driving? One thing that I learned early in law enforcement. Those that want draconian penalties imposed on others, have a strong tendency to want to be the exception to the rules and draconian penalties, if and when caught violating those rules, etc, themselves....
yay
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chuck, i don't want to upchuck on you constantly or anything,
i don't really see anything wrong with your POV. sensible.
but you're not welsh.
perhaps we could say, the world is a lot more perfect from some perspectives. and this is equally as true for these perspectives as yours is from yours. i could go on about the imposition of ordinance as contribution to imperfect conditions, but, given the pragma of preexisting states, it would be absurd indeed to expect people accustomed to contemporary cultures to adapt without.. let's call it "legacy" issues.
if you shift the lens slightly for an example of this dynamic, in the united states, it is ..virtually impossible to function economically without adopting the predominant mode of competition. this is understood as healthy in the united states. in other parts of the world, the economy is also correctly seen as the means by which human beings exist, so a competitive economy is insensate, eg. the well known example of ubuntu, where not sharing is absurd, and reasonably so.
it may be difficult to really appreciate this, since the way things work for a person are so right, there's no reason to bother with anything else. but if you understand, being welsh is obviously a form of perfection in that you're not english.
and, furthermore, you can certainly appreciate that while this is absolutely true from a welsh perspective, it is tiresome nonsense from an english perspective. we can go on and consider complexities eg. a welsh person in england's perspective or the other way around et c. but the point is that true things aren't necessarily true everywhere if they are relative to culture. and most things we do are that.
in one line: here is sargeant major marching up and down the square in west papua.
hey, here's one: where do drones go when they die? a uav gravy eh eh eh
i don't really see anything wrong with your POV. sensible.
but you're not welsh.
perhaps we could say, the world is a lot more perfect from some perspectives. and this is equally as true for these perspectives as yours is from yours. i could go on about the imposition of ordinance as contribution to imperfect conditions, but, given the pragma of preexisting states, it would be absurd indeed to expect people accustomed to contemporary cultures to adapt without.. let's call it "legacy" issues.
if you shift the lens slightly for an example of this dynamic, in the united states, it is ..virtually impossible to function economically without adopting the predominant mode of competition. this is understood as healthy in the united states. in other parts of the world, the economy is also correctly seen as the means by which human beings exist, so a competitive economy is insensate, eg. the well known example of ubuntu, where not sharing is absurd, and reasonably so.
it may be difficult to really appreciate this, since the way things work for a person are so right, there's no reason to bother with anything else. but if you understand, being welsh is obviously a form of perfection in that you're not english.
and, furthermore, you can certainly appreciate that while this is absolutely true from a welsh perspective, it is tiresome nonsense from an english perspective. we can go on and consider complexities eg. a welsh person in england's perspective or the other way around et c. but the point is that true things aren't necessarily true everywhere if they are relative to culture. and most things we do are that.
in one line: here is sargeant major marching up and down the square in west papua.
hey, here's one: where do drones go when they die? a uav gravy eh eh eh
Chuck
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I'm roughly familar with that repository of military aircraft that you refer to near the Mexican border, in the US. I used to be a crew member on some of those aircraft. I also have some Welsh ancestry, among others. And yes, there is a belief in the US that competition is healthy for society, as well as in commerce. Without competition, we wouldn't have many of the innovations and improvements of existing products and services. Many that monopolies would have no incentive to improve upon, if they were "the only game in town". But at the same time, there has to be some restraint through regulation, to protect society from the dangers of chaos resulting from an "anything goes" free for all, when anybody can do anything they want, with no restraint imposed other than by The Laws of Physics. IE: In the case of drones, "What goes up, must come down". You raised the example of flying within five miles of an airport as one hazard with drones. Airports are more numerous than many believe, as most people when you mention an airport, think only of commercial aviation flying airliners and cargo planes in and out of major cities, from one or two airports per city. That ignores the general aviation airports that cater to small private planes, both in the major cities, in surrounding suburbs, in small towns in rural areas, plus military air bases, both near the major cities as well as the smaller towns in rural areas. Much of the country is saturated with overlapping five-mile-radius rings around these installations. That doesn't even count other NFZ's such as prisons, nuclear power generating stations, sports stadiums, government buildings, central business districts in the larger cities that are packed with skyscrapers, etc. Without reasonable limits being imposed, there is no imaginable limit on the injury and damage that might occur. By the way. It's my understanding, that there is a law enforcement as well as military presence, in Wales....
yay
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that's the thing, right there, isn't it. people who already believe they are right aren't likely to change because of eg. somethnig someone obviously with another experience says.
the universes or whatever are a big place, and there is somewhere where what you believe is true ends. it will find you eventually, though it may not be within the scope of what you believe to be you. that doesn't matter. as all of india knows, satyam eva jayate, truth alone prevails. and, epistemologically, by applciation of logic, we can see, there is no knowledge in the universe. this is why, all of china knows, sun wu kong, awareness of emptiness.
i should stop though. i post this stuff on the internet hoping people will stop punishing or violating people from other cultures, btu that never happens. all that happens is people identify me as someone who doesn't conform and take a sh!t on me. i've got so many sh!ts piled on me that it's not gonig to make a difference. but still, since the only thing i'm practically doing by speaking here, is inviting you or someone else to do what you think you should do to people who you think are wrong.
i think i posted that bit another time, about the woman parked behind a stalled car on a hill. mans law says cars go forward, natures law says nuh-uh. angulimala says, i can kill you without blinking an eye, buddha says, i can be killed without blinking an eye. but i'm not even ruffling your hair am i, only wearing out the little printed letters on my keyboard.
the universes or whatever are a big place, and there is somewhere where what you believe is true ends. it will find you eventually, though it may not be within the scope of what you believe to be you. that doesn't matter. as all of india knows, satyam eva jayate, truth alone prevails. and, epistemologically, by applciation of logic, we can see, there is no knowledge in the universe. this is why, all of china knows, sun wu kong, awareness of emptiness.
i should stop though. i post this stuff on the internet hoping people will stop punishing or violating people from other cultures, btu that never happens. all that happens is people identify me as someone who doesn't conform and take a sh!t on me. i've got so many sh!ts piled on me that it's not gonig to make a difference. but still, since the only thing i'm practically doing by speaking here, is inviting you or someone else to do what you think you should do to people who you think are wrong.
i think i posted that bit another time, about the woman parked behind a stalled car on a hill. mans law says cars go forward, natures law says nuh-uh. angulimala says, i can kill you without blinking an eye, buddha says, i can be killed without blinking an eye. but i'm not even ruffling your hair am i, only wearing out the little printed letters on my keyboard.
mozquito1
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There you go again. We're not on about other rules are we. We talking about drones. & no I have not broke any rules. Apart from putting a 600mw vtx when I thought it was a 25mw. No I have not broken any rules. Like I said before. I stick within my boundaries. It's planes that are my problem. Chuck are we gonna get another thread closed down.