Antenna help, a quick question.

Dudeskin

Dudeskin

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Hi all. New to posting but been snooping around the last few days.
I've got my quad out finally after waiting for a charger for weeks.
I keep having signal problems, at first I couldn't get more than 10m away from myself and it lost signal, then I found that the receiver antennas on the ar6210 was tucked under so I straightened them both out, instantly way better. I can fly far away fine. But when I turn, even close up, when it starts to face me during a figure 8 the signal drops out and it has no control for a second untill its dropped closer or around more.
Does anyone know what I can do to make it better? Anything to straighten them out better or boost it?
I'm new to the proper version of these. Just come from a little one. Haha.
Dx6i a6210, naza lite (v2).

Cheers all.
Joe
 
holtneil

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Hi mate try and get the antennas on different planes ( what I mean is one upright and one out to the side ), plus add a sat receiver on it this will help loads here is a link so you can see what a sat receiver is you can get them from hobby king orange sat receivers, Lemon do them too really good unit
http://www.google.co.uk/aclk?sa=l&ai=C4LHok6_9VZ3WCoyjbqypu4gIr8-ckAXn26vpqgHOnOSYhAIIBBABIKGoxR0oBWC7lpyD0AqgAYO9qOgDyAEHqQIU4lfN7wu6PqoEJ0_Qx6sWSoGDT_HDnbrs8KSkbQGlIoOO5IxDYoVpdZJ6w-X-1rtho4AFkE7ABQWgBiaAB-XC1xeIBwGQBwKoB6a-G9gHAeAS3dmS4eqPzICBAQ&sig=AOD64_3gX7cJeMIv3mEPs95SkeTTsm0mwg&ctype=5&clui=3&rct=j&q=&ved=0CCQQww9qFQoTCJfKuoLjg8gCFQjDFAodD8UM-A&adurl=http://www.kingslynnmodelshop.co.uk/p4421/Spektrum_Remote_Receiver_-_DSMX/product_info.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=xigen_shopping_feed
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Dudeskin

Dudeskin

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Awesome. Cheers dude.
I will tweak it some more and take it out tomorrow.
The unit is at the back of the quad. Is that a good place for it?
I'll get one of those ordered too.

I'm getting fully addicted to these things now. Haha.
 
holtneil

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Hi mate if you get the sat receiver it will not matter where you mount the main receiver, so if the main receiver is at the back on top mount the sat receiver at the front bottom of quad, this will give you antennas on all planes ,this means no matter what angle the quad is at there is always an antenna towards the transmitter
I dont know if you know when you fit the sat receiver your have to rebind the main with sat plugged into receiver, to the transmitter again, have the min of 6 to 8 feet distance between the quad and transmitter when binding is done this will give you full range on the transmitter which will be about 1 km , also this binding sets the fail safe so make sure all sticks on the transmitter are right
If your transmitter has a move able antenna like the DX6I , when you fly dont put antenna straight out , The signal comes from the where it bends to the tip so you have this at the angle so the max amount of the antenna length is facing the quad, So when the transmitter is on a neck strap the fixed part of the antenna its level with the ground the bend and above will point up and forward by about 1 to 2 degs towards the fight area of the quad this then gives the max signal pattern into the fight area
 
Dudeskin

Dudeskin

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Hi mate. Cheers for that Info. I just got the lemon unit through the lost this morning.
I just noticed I don't have a bind plug. Can I make one out of a servo cable or something? It looks just like a loop?

I'll ha e to read up on how to bind as it came done when I bought the quad.
I'm looking forward to that range. I seem to only get 20 or 30 meters before its coming back down. I thought the fail safe might kick in but it hasn't. I'm kind of glad too a bit cuz I can see it and run over to it to get back I to signal and it the. Stops the motors.
Ubless I have set the throttle rate for RTH too low so its trying but can't?
 
holtneil

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Hi mate yes its just a loop of wire , plug in the sat receiver to the main receiver then put in the bind plug power it up the receiver and sat light will flash fast , now bind with the transmitter but be min of 6 feet away this will give it a better bind and range when flying
The fail safe is what ever the sticks are at when you bind most use zero throttle and cyclic in the middle ( works well for helis as they will auto rotate down ) but quads just drop like a brick , which is better than seeing the quad disappear in to the hills till the battery runs out , the coming back down is the fail safe working , on some of the FCB it will return home and land
You can do a range test to do this go into transmitter select range test this will reduce power of the signal now walk 90 paces from the quad and see if you can arm and dis arm if you can then you have a range of approx 1 km depending on the area your flying in ie flat open land , remember to turn off range test before you fly
 
Dudeskin

Dudeskin

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cool, sounds easy enough then. can it be done indoors? i have a long living room haha.
yeah i dont fancy it having power and just going with the wind haha, zero throttle is better than that. i have set up my RTH on the naza but dont want to test it realy so dropping down is fine.
 
holtneil

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Yes do it in doors with prop off will be ok , the fail safe on the NazaM is really good ,I have so many threads running I cant keep up with who has what , So a few words on the DJI NazaM learn what the LEDs mean, if you get any red flashes when you first set up Do NOT fly in any mode other than manual you do not have GPS lock all flight mode need GPS to be fully working this is where pilots get fly aways , I have tested return home a few times and even in gales it lands about a foot from me so its good , HL is a really nice mode you can get the quad a really long way out and not know which way it is facing just flick into HL( home lock) then just hold down the cyclic and it will come back home to you ,If you fly in IOC mode dont fly the quad behind you it will get confused and IOC will not work right
the best way to set up is go into the Naza assist turn on IOC , then set up atti switch to do GPS then Atti then manual mode
Fail safe will work by turning off the transmitter trust me it works it will climb to 60 feet then come back hover over head for 10 seconds then land at your feet at any time you want back control just turn on transmitter again and its all yours
 
Dudeskin

Dudeskin

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Hay mate. Quick question. I got everything plugged in. It's a little sloppy fit in the ar6210 but defo connected. As I try to bind the light flashes on both receivers but no matter how long I wait or my position with the transmitter I can't get it to bind. Dx6i is saying bind but not getting anything. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
Bind plug in,
Power on quad
Lights flashing
Hold trainer and turn on transmitter
Binding flashing

But nothing
 
Dudeskin

Dudeskin

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Also, now I can't bind it to the original receiver.
I should have gone flying before I did this today. It's perfect outside,sunny and no wind at all. Doh. Haha.
 
Dudeskin

Dudeskin

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No, its plastic.
Should I remove any of the other things plugged into the receiver so I only have the bind plug in and try again?
 
Dudeskin

Dudeskin

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Cool. So if I connect my lipo to the quad as normal and let the power come from the naza unit that should be fine?
I've stripped it down a bit but I've not stripped it this far before. Not sure how the power comes to the receiver as all I have is the normal inputs for throttle etc.
The light flashes still but not getting bind. I've dis connected the new sat receiver to try and get it back to how it was this morning. Haha.
 
holtneil

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Hi Dudeskin when you made the bind plug the loop goes to the earth and signal pins so dont connect to the middle pin
 
Dudeskin

Dudeskin

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Yeah, they both flash.
This bind plug I made uses the both outside wires, brown and yellow. Middle one is cut short and not connected.

Looking on the RX (correct term for the ar6210?) It has this on it -+ then some squared off wave looking thing. Is that correct?
Cheers guys, hope I haven't damaged the RX some how. I can't even get it back to how it was before this morning. Frustrating. Haha.
 
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Dudeskin said:
Yeah, they both flash.
This bind plug I made uses the both outside wires, brown and yellow. Middle one is cut short and not connected.

Looking on the RX (correct term for the ar6210?) It has this on it -+ then some squared off wave looking thing. Is that correct?
Cheers guys, hope I haven't damaged the RX some how. I can't even get it back to how it was before this morning. Frustrating. Haha.
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Check, you may already have it bound, when I first started I thought I had broken mine, and bought a new one just to find that it was a problem with the quad.
 
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